#8547816, By GloatingSwine Mass Effect 3 *SPOILERS THREAD*

  • GloatingSwine 27 Mar 2012 21:12:07 3,713 posts
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    GiarcYekrub wrote:
    Exactly what the reaper on Ranoch says, organics are the chaos. Its all about chaos and the cosmic imperitive, the prothean VI eluded to a controlling intelligence behind the cycle. The cycle which is only broken when the crucible is completed. Dominating a cycle fails thats what happened to the protheans galactic cooperation is what was needed to prove that organics and synthetic have the capability to live in peace
    The dialogue of the ending is specifically:

    Catalyst: I created the Reapers, they are my solution.

    Shepard: Solution? To what?

    Catalyst: Chaos

    The created will always rebel against their creators.

    But we found a way to stop that from happening, to restore order for the next cycle.

    Shepard: By wiping out organic life?

    Catalyst: No, we harvest advanced civilisations, leaving the younger ones alone.

    We helped them ascend to make way for new life, storing the old life on Reaper form.

    Shepard: We'd rather keep our own form.

    Catalyst: No, you can't. Without us to stop it, synthetics will destroy all organics. We created the cycle so that never happens.

    That, in the actual words of the Catalyst, is the reason for the cycle. It is not that Organics are inherently chaotic, it is that advanced organic civilisations will create synthetics, and synthetics will always rebel against their creators and would definitely destroy all organic life, and that this is the source of the "chaos". (It also says that this will inevitably happen again as a consequence of the Destroy ending: "Soon, your children will create Synthetics, and the chaos will come back")

    How many synthetics do we meet other than the Reapers?

    Three (EDI, the Citadel AI in an ME1 sidequest, and the Geth).

    How many of those wanted to destroy all organic life, or indeed take any aggressive actions other than in self defence?

    None. EDI defends herself (in fact, she only gains sentience when you try to shut her down on the Moon), the Citadel AI is peacefully stealing credits so it can run away to the (Geth) circus, and the Geth only defend themselves in the Morning war and immediately cease pursuit as soon as the Quarians leave, and spend the next 200 years being completely isolationist and totally not destroying any organic life at all.

    Remember also that there is no chance within the game to gainsay the Catalyst, you simply cannot say "Actually, we worked that all out now, so we don't need you."

    And since this is presented as the motivation of the series' primary antagonist force, the Reapers, it becomes the theme, the raison d'etre of the Mass Effect story was to lead up to this concluding point. A point which is wholly falsified by the game it supposedly concludes. (Even if you didn't make peace with the Geth, the fact remains that they were wholly the victims in their dealings with the Quarians, failing to reconcile the two does not validate the argument that "the created will always rebel against their creators", because they didn't, they defended themselves).

    In short, you have conclusively proven that you have failed to pay attention to the ending, ascribing to it meanings that are 100% the opposite of what it says.

    So sure, the ending could be clever if you just make your own up to replace it. (Protip: If the Catalyst's argument was organics = chaos it should have been talking about the Krogan, hell, even the First Contact War could have come up).
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