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Tonka 28 Nov 2007 12:10:03 31,980 posts
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kalel wrote:
Sorry but that's not true at all, that's complete post-rationalisation.

O_O

kalel wrote:
Nintendo's orginal teaser vid showed how the Wiimote would work. Most people naturally assumed that the kind of games on the Wii would be the same kind the previous consoles had focused on, but with this new, more instinctive control scheme, thereby adding more depth and taking away the barrier tradtional comtrollers imposed.

What I'm saying is that peoples assumptions about the Wii and what Nintendo have said in numerous interviews are two different things.

Read this as an example. Are you calling Iwata, Miyamoto et all liers?

Carlo 28 Nov 2007 12:12:01 21,801 posts
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Henni_playd wrote:

deem wrote:
I can now understand your support of Al's writing style.

And pray tell, where did you find any such support?

I just found your personal attack distasteful, and the effort you put into it quite tiresome, is all.

Wow, Henni really does write like bundy! O_O

BanjoMan 28 Nov 2007 12:20:08 13,692 posts
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Forsooth sir, writing like a middle-class Victorian gives one a weighty air of authority. Perhaps one might indulge in this practice, if only to promulgate the usage of archaic yet distinguished and noble idiom.

Deleted user 28 November 2007 12:21:36

Oh Mr Darcy, you make me so wet when you talk like that.

Deleted user 28 November 2007 12:24:15

Tonka wrote:
What I'm saying is that peoples assumptions about the Wii and what Nintendo have said in numerous interviews are two different things.

Read this as an example. Are you calling Iwata, Miyamoto et all liers?

While Ninty may have always planned for the Wii to be a whole new console for non-gamers type thing, it was not marketed that way originally, and certainly not in the very early teaser days.

Yes, the public were making assumptions about what the Wii would be, but Nintendo prompted those assumptions. It was perfectly natural for everyone to assume that the Wii would be a next gen Nintendo console continuing on from all their previous consoles had, but with a revolutionary new controller. It was codenamed the “Revolution” if you remember. And yes, it did turn out to be a Revolution of sorts in the end, but not the one that Nintendo had originally hinted at.

JetSetWilly 28 Nov 2007 12:28:54 5,720 posts
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kalel wrote:
While Ninty may have always planned for the Wii to be a whole new console for non-gamers type thing, it was not marketed that way originally, and certainly not in the very early teaser days.

I fail to see how you can say this, when the very first vid shows a guy drumming, a family playing tennis/fishing, and old guy conducting an orchestra etc etc.

Kay 28 Nov 2007 12:30:03 21,321 posts
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kalel wrote:
While Ninty may have always planned for the Wii to be a whole new console for non-gamers type thing, it was not marketed that way originally, and certainly not in the very early teaser days.

Really? The very first Wii video (when the controller was first unveiled) showed a bunch of people - old and young, male and female - playing various sport and party games.

Unless you're talking about way before that, when the actual console (not the controller) was first shown at E3 2005.

Edit: Or what JSW said.

K

Deleted user 28 November 2007 12:34:26

Hmmm, that isolated quote kinda distorts my point a bit, but yes, I do concede that the trailer did suggest it would cater for everyone (including traditional/hardcore gamers).

JYM60 28 Nov 2007 12:38:21 19,085 posts
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It's the wii!!!

Pac-man-ate-my-wife 28 Nov 2007 12:38:39 7,087 posts
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kalel wrote:
Hmmm, that isolated quote kinda distorts my point a bit, but yes, I do concede that the trailer did suggest it would cater for everyone (including traditional/hardcore gamers).

And the first press releases did too:

http://forums.ic-games.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2278

“Our next console proves small in size but big on ideas,” says Reggie Fils-Aime, Nintendo of America’s executive vice president of sales & marketing. “We’re throwing open the doors of gaming to wider audiences, from casual players to hard-core gamers who live for the thrill of defeating an endless army of wireless opponents.”

Nintendo’s All-Access Gaming philosophy covers the spectrum. The next console fits anywhere. It brings together new games and old. It gives people worldwide access through wireless Wi-Fi connections. And it opens the world of video games – to everyone. Software for the new console will even attract people who don’t consider themselves players. Adults, kids, men and women around the world will have access to the most popular video game characters, the best game franchises and the most engaging experiences yet developed – only with Nintendo.

rock27gr 28 Nov 2007 12:39:03 6,439 posts
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Telepathic.Geometry wrote:

kalel wrote: The thing about the functionality, is I do wonder how successful it would have been (and how much people would have defended it) if it had simply been a peripheral for the GC, and not a whole new console.

OK, I accept that technically it would not have been possible, but let’s just assume for a minute they had done that. Do we think it would have been a success or dismissed as a gimmick? I genuinely believe it would have gone the way of the Eyetoy had that been the case.
That's an interesting question actually. I myself wonder how successful the 360 would have been if it had come out as a memory pack upgrade.

OK, I accept that technically it would not have been possible, but let’s just assume for a minute they had done that. Do we think it would have been a success or dismissed as a gimmick?

Yes, and I do wonder how succesfull the PS3 would have been if it had come out as a BluRay Disk player upgrade.

Actually, scratch that; it would propably have been a much greater success!

Der_tolle_Emil 28 Nov 2007 12:43:01 7,308 posts
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dobbie wrote:
The revolutionary aspect, as pointed out by others, lies mainly in the social aspect of making gaming seem less "couch-potato" and more socially acceptable.

In a way that's true. But I also somehow think that the Wii could face a serious identity crisis in the years to come. The Wii has an incredibly broad demographic and it will only get bigger with Wii Fit. I don't want to categorize people here but the Wii somehow tries to satisfy I'd say about 3 classic demographics - I just don't know if that is possible in the long run. Then again completely focusing on just one demographics, let's call them the hardcore gamers, may just not work out as well. Speaking of the 360, it does what it does fairly well. There are a lot of incredibly good games out there and every now and then there are even attempts to reach out for other demographics - like Viva Pinata. Problem is: It failed miserably, it just doesn't fit the console - and it was far too late and too little to have any real effect and attract new 360 owners.

I wonder if you will ever be able to satisfy such a broad demographic as the Wii is having now. So far I think it has worked out pretty well - as I already said, the major Nintendo franchises are true to the series and have already been out in the first year or will be early next year. Those games however have been in development long before the Wii launched and after all Nintendo is running a business. With the huge amount of diverse Wii owners I wonder how well the game sales will be. Eventually it could happen that even Nintendo will focus on the things that sell best - and I am a bit worried that those things just might be the likes of Wii Sports, Wii Fit and Brain Training.

Maybe I am a bit too worried, after all I really enjoy Brain Training (on the DS) as well. I get the impression that even if games like Wii Sports get many people into buying a Wii that there will still be two or even three camps of gamers expecting different things of the Wii.

rock27gr 28 Nov 2007 12:45:05 6,439 posts
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Der_tolle_Emil wrote:

dobbie wrote:
The revolutionary aspect, as pointed out by others, lies mainly in the social aspect of making gaming seem less "couch-potato" and more socially acceptable.

In a way that's true. But I also somehow think that the Wii could face a serious identity crisis in the years to come. The Wii has an incredibly broad demographic and it will only get bigger with Wii Fit. I don't want to categorize people here but the Wii somehow tries to satisfy I'd say about 3 classic demographics - I just don't know if that is possible in the long run.

I don't see why not? The PS2 managed that just fine didn't it?

morriss 28 Nov 2007 12:50:14 71,293 posts
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In my ever so humble opinion, the Wii has finally started to deliver on 'what I wanted it for'. In the early days when I first bought it back in Feb, the games were something I really weren't interested in: see the mini-games argument all of the intarweb.

I wanted the Wii mote to 'breath life' into older genres and create new experiences. Now I think that is starting to happen. RE4, RE:UC, Zak/Wiki/Fragile/Okami/SMG/Endless Ocean are all game that I really want and am therefor glad that I have repurchased one.

Although I harp on about the mulitplayer aspect of XBox Live I'm very much a single player gamer, always have been. The Wii never really gave me anything to play on my own that had any kind of depth or life. But now it has.

Dunno if that affects the argument one way or another but that's my opinion.

So there!

Tonka 28 Nov 2007 13:06:14 31,980 posts
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kalel wrote:

Tonka wrote:
What I'm saying is that peoples assumptions about the Wii and what Nintendo have said in numerous interviews are two different things.

Read this as an example. Are you calling Iwata, Miyamoto et all liers?

While Ninty may have always planned for the Wii to be a whole new console for non-gamers type thing, it was not marketed that way originally, and certainly not in the very early teaser days.

May? I don't expect you to read as much about it as I have but trust me when I say there is no may about their "Tearing down entry level barriers" philosophy. Few, if any consoles, have such a well documented plan available to the masses.

Now I'm off to start a Did MS deliver on their 360 promises thread.
It will be full of fun facts.

Tonka 28 Nov 2007 13:06:52 31,980 posts
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/the start a thread bit is a lie

Deleted user 28 November 2007 13:07:35

Just out of interest did it hurt when you gave birth to your Wii?

Tonka 28 Nov 2007 13:13:07 31,980 posts
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kalel wrote:
Just out of interest did it hurt when you gave birth to your Wii?

Yeah,let's go back to that level shall we?

I'm kidding. The topic has run dry anyway.
And it was the proudest day in my life...
so ner

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Carlo 28 Nov 2007 13:16:43 21,801 posts
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Tonka wrote:
Now I'm off to start a Did MS deliver on their 360 promises thread.

DO IT!!!!

Deleted user 28 November 2007 13:18:15

The fact that when kalel deletes his own posts it still says 'Post deleted by moderator' amuses me no end. It makes it feel like there's a mod war going on! \0/

Pac-man-ate-my-wife 28 Nov 2007 14:25:07 7,087 posts
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Ginger_Prince wrote:

I think you should compare the actual sales of cooking mama with Wii FPS games. I think you'll find that cooking mama will struggle to outsell Red Steel, Metroid, MoH2 or BiA never mind outsell them 10-1.

Cooking Mama: 0.53m
http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=3015

Metroid: 0.78m
http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6969

Red Steel: 1.03m
http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=1872

NB: All stats from VGChartz so probably bollocks!

JinTypeNoir 28 Nov 2007 15:08:52 4,368 posts
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I really can't wait for the debut of the Everybody Hits Channel. If you haven't heard of it, it's that rumored new channel Nintendo is preparing in response to allegations that exposure to Wii caused massive decrease in intelligence in some people and will for the first time ever, through the magic of the Wiimote, allow you to slap a bitch up over the Wi-Fi Connection. Apparently, Nintendo is also looking to expand their audience to out-of-work, drunk husbands and meek wives. While they haven't said how the enemy code system will work, I've heard that the Hit Mii and Hit Parade functionality might allow for random swing-by slappings.

Personally, I can't wait.

Carlo 28 Nov 2007 15:10:33 21,801 posts
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JinTypeNoir wrote:
I really can't wait for the debut of the Everybody Hits Channel. If you haven't heard of it, it's that rumored new channel Nintendo is preparing in response to allegations that exposure to Wii caused massive decrease in intelligence in some people and will for the first time ever, through the magic of the Wiimote, allow you to slap a bitch up over the Wi-Fi Connection. Apparently, Nintendo is also looking to expand their audience to out-of-work, drunk husbands and meek wives. While they haven't said how the enemy code system will work, I've heard that the Hit Mii and Hit Parade functionality might allow for random swing-by slappings.

Personally, I can't wait.

I'm guessing you already saw the demo off your mum and dad?

BanjoMan 28 Nov 2007 15:39:42 13,692 posts
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All I want is a channel for downloading stuff onto my DS - including extra items for AC:WW, puzzles for Brain Training and anything else Shigs and co come up with.

Once I have that I will be happy. Meantime, games innit. Plenty of them to be getting on with. Nintendo have done great on that front.

silentbob 28 Nov 2007 21:27:18 29,527 posts
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Micro_Explosion wrote:

silentbob wrote:
I just ate an awesome cookie. This glass of cold milk is a treat too.

What flavour cookie?

Have you tried that Cravendale filtered milk? It's much nicer than the regular stuff - creamy but without the extra cream.

It was indeed Cravendale. The cookies were from 'Bens Cookies' in Covent Garden and included such delights as 'Double Chocolate' Oatmeal and Rasin' and 'Some random flavour I couldn't identify but was lovely all the same'.

Tonight I mostly ate a very disappointing curry. :/

Telepathic.Geometry 28 Nov 2007 21:31:51 12,422 posts
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The shop 'round the corner from me used to have these shop-baked chocolate chip cookies. Man, they were chewy and full of chocolatey win. /wanks

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