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Deleted user 3 June 2008 13:32:57

espy wrote:
Just a speculation about the Black Rock and stuff from the last episode:

I think the ship is that far up away from the coast because, at some point, the island appeared underneath it. It was moved there by the descendants of the people who built the chamber under the Orchid and under Ben's house, and who later built the statue. They must have been in some dire situation at that time.

I would assume that the builders and the crew of the Black Rock either proceeded to annihilate each other (with the crew winning, gunpowder and all) or allying themselves with each other, to whatever end.

Um I never know how far to go with spoilers on this thread? Not posted here before. I'll err on the side of caution.

I doubt the island has been moved before. As someone mentioned before Ben had to go to a lot of trouble to get into the mechanism to do this and it looked untouched since the days of Dharma judging by the video unless repairs had been made to the chamber. And why repair the chamber? All it seemingly did was transfer things slightly forward in time? The orchid facilty was already pretty well hidden.

The Black Rock could well have been inland due to a hurricane or tsunami. Large ships have been discovered miles inland in SE Asia that were presumed lost at sea.

For instance: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=py_SRI2hsuY&feature=related

On a sort of related note, has anyone read The Third Policeman that is a supposed influence on Lost? I did a quick forum search but it doesn't appear to be mentioned in this thread yet, although I don't entirely trust EG forum search.

The 'exotic matter' that Ben manipulates with the wheel and the strange phenomena on the island such as 'the box things appear out of' that Lockes father supposedly comes from sounds similar in nature to the capabilities of omnium in that book.

nickthegun 3 Jun 2008 13:37:45 87,711 posts
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M83J01P97 wrote:
Apparently her 'Englishness' has been written into her character's future story.

Yeah, it heavily implies she was born on the island, which is quite brave writing for such a shit character. I thought she would die for sure.

Bloodloss 3 Jun 2008 13:45:02 4,497 posts
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Also fits in with the theory that Widmoore used to be like Ben and Locke, leader of the others. He could've impregnated someone who also came to the island with him, and now that he's turned the wheel he can't go back, but his blood relative can.

Deleted user 3 June 2008 15:56:34

Ta very much.

I'll quit with the spoiler things then although they do look kinda cool en masse

Scurrminator 3 Jun 2008 16:17:59 9,045 posts
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the third policeman was just a book that was seen on the shelf in the hatch.
Probably nothing more other than damon/lindeloff are fans.
They've said many times that things which tie in with Lost (such as the game) will never reveal anything which is part of the show canon.
So only things in the show itself (and the webisodes) are definatly part of the Lost story.

Genji 3 Jun 2008 17:03:22 19,682 posts
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Hey, I'm Australian, and I thought Charlotte had a bit of Australian in her, too. She didn't have your true blue, Steve Irwin Queensland accent, but there was something there. She could easily be from Melbourne.

HoriZon 3 Jun 2008 17:52:03 14,351 posts
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Genji wrote:
Hey, I'm Australian, and I thought Charlotte had a bit of Australian in her, too. She didn't have your true blue, Steve Irwin Queensland accent, but there was something there. She could easily be from Melbourne.

Melbourne in Yorkshire?

Deleted user 3 June 2008 23:32:42

Hm, crazy theory I had while watching the episode where Desmond jumps back and forth in time and has to find his constant after meeting geeky science guy (can never remember names).

All the flashbacks and flashforwards. Are they really the dramatic device they seem or are we seeing characters experiencing unconscious time travel as opposed to Desmonds experience where he was conscious of it because he'd moved off the island in the wrong way?

It's pretty out there, and I'm almost positive that I realised it wasn't a possibility for some incredibly obvious reason that I have completely forgotten.

Trowel 4 Jun 2008 00:22:59 24,512 posts
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Scurrminator wrote:
the third policeman was just a book that was seen on the shelf in the hatch.

I remember reading that sales - and prices - of the book temporarily rocketed on Amazon shortly after the ep aired.

Scurrminator 4 Jun 2008 00:27:21 9,045 posts
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red panda, you have stolen my theory i posted in this very thread!
boo to you :-P

Deleted user 4 June 2008 00:39:09

Scurrminator wrote:
red panda, you have stolen my theory i posted in this very thread!
boo to you

Pfft, I remember wondering about the nature of the flashbacks during Season 2!

Deleted user 4 June 2008 00:48:58

I just remembered! I think I predicted at the end of Series 3 that somehow or other we'd end up back at that "We have to go back!" scene by the end of Series 4 - and holy fuck we did, as well.

/has never 'sort of' predicted a TV show that far in advance before, pats self on back

Deleted user 4 June 2008 00:53:04

MrED209 wrote:
I just remembered! I think I predicted at the end of Series 3 that somehow or other we'd end up back at that "We have to go back!" scene by the end of Series 4 - and holy fuck we did, as well.

/has never 'sort of' predicted a TV show that far in advance before, pats self on back

Actually, you predicted that "WE HAVE TO GO BACK!" would be the last line of Season 4 so........ no.

Bloodloss 4 Jun 2008 00:56:45 4,497 posts
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Yeah but it could easily actually be what RedPanda said (which isn't a new theory). I hardly think we should base such important things on the whooshing sound effect.

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Deleted user 4 June 2008 01:20:16

ecureuil wrote:

RedPanda wrote:
Hm, crazy theory I had while watching the episode where Desmond jumps back and forth in time and has to find his constant after meeting geeky science guy (can never remember names).

All the flashbacks and flashforwards. Are they really the dramatic device they seem or are we seeing characters experiencing unconscious time travel as opposed to Desmonds experience where he was conscious of it because he'd moved off the island in the wrong way?

It's pretty out there, and I'm almost positive that I realised it wasn't a possibility for some incredibly obvious reason that I have completely forgotten.

No, basically.

And they are also distinguished by sounds. Desmonds flashes are instant to show that they're happening, but the regular flashes are accompanied by a whooshing sound, to indicate that they're actually a flash back/forward.

yeah but you could argue there's no whoosh noise because he's aware of it?

it sounds like you have other ideas why not, and it'd be good to hear them - i've missed / forgotten a lot of episodes from past seasons

Deleted user 4 June 2008 01:31:29

I thought they were hinting at it when the Jack flashbacks appeared when he passed out when he was ill (the first time when he collapsed, the second when Bernard knocked him out).

But I agree with ecu, it doesn't make any sense.

lost_soul 4 Jun 2008 07:29:02 9,372 posts
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deathgibbon wrote:

MrED209 wrote:
I just remembered! I think I predicted at the end of Series 3 that somehow or other we'd end up back at that "We have to go back!" scene by the end of Series 4 - and holy fuck we did, as well.

/has never 'sort of' predicted a TV show that far in advance before, pats self on back

Actually, you predicted that "WE HAVE TO GO BACK!" would be the last line of Season 4 so........ no.

I think that was my prediction :-/

Flynnster 4 Jun 2008 12:31:40 14 posts
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RedPanda wrote:

espy wrote:
Just a speculation about the Black Rock and stuff from the last episode:

I think the ship is that far up away from the coast because, at some point, the island appeared underneath it. It was moved there by the descendants of the people who built the chamber under the Orchid and under Ben's house, and who later built the statue. They must have been in some dire situation at that time.

I would assume that the builders and the crew of the Black Rock either proceeded to annihilate each other (with the crew winning, gunpowder and all) or allying themselves with each other, to whatever end.

Um I never know how far to go with spoilers on this thread? Not posted here before. I'll err on the side of caution.

I doubt the island has been moved before. As someone mentioned before Ben had to go to a lot of trouble to get into the mechanism to do this and it looked untouched since the days of Dharma judging by the video unless repairs had been made to the chamber. And why repair the chamber? All it seemingly did was transfer things slightly forward in time? The orchid facilty was already pretty well hidden.

The Black Rock could well have been inland due to a hurricane or tsunami. Large ships have been discovered miles inland in SE Asia that were presumed lost at sea.

For instance: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=py_SRI2hsuY&feature=related

On a sort of related note, has anyone read The Third Policeman that is a supposed influence on Lost? I did a quick forum search but it doesn't appear to be mentioned in this thread yet, although I don't entirely trust EG forum search.

The 'exotic matter' that Ben manipulates with the wheel and the strange phenomena on the island such as 'the box things appear out of' that Lockes father supposedly comes from sounds similar in nature to the capabilities of omnium in that book.

I think they pretty much alluded to the fact that they new that the Island had been moved before, ie they new what would happen if they went through with it. Also it seems that the Polar Bears were used to do it(the big wheel thing, the cold enviroment, the training pens and the fact that a teleported skeleton was found in the desert by Charlotte.)

Deleted user 4 June 2008 13:04:04

Owen-B wrote:
probably ending with exactly the same line as the last season ended with ("We have to go back, Kate, we have to go back!") except in 'real time' as opposed to 'flash forward' time.

Deleted user 4 June 2008 13:04:30

MrED209 wrote:

HarryB wrote:
"WE HAVE TO GO BACK!!"
I'm telling you now, this will be the last line of this series. Mark my words.

Darren 4 Jun 2008 14:28:19 9,637 posts
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deathgibbon wrote:
I thought they were hinting at it when the Jack flashbacks appeared when he passed out when he was ill (the first time when he collapsed, the second when Bernard knocked him out).

But I agree with ecu, it doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make sense for one BIG reason and that is that when Desmond kept jumping backwards and forwards he very nearly died (like the other guy on the boat did) until he latched onto the idea of a constant in the form of Penny. Thus if the other Losties had also been jumping backwards and forwards unaware then they'd have all died by now!!!

ghearoid 4 Jun 2008 14:30:48 3,758 posts
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simakperrce wrote:

SolidSnakeSam wrote:

*cough*Abbadon is Walt in the future*cough*

The problem with that theory is, that Abbadon was with a wheelchaired Locke in a Flashback (where he convinced him to do the walkabout).

Hmm, it could be the grown-up Walt in teh future doing some time travellin'!

nickthegun 4 Jun 2008 14:34:07 87,711 posts
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Abbadon isnt Walt just because hes black!

My theory is that he is 'just' Widmores version of 'Alpert'.

Which, depending on which Alpert theory you subscribe to, means that he is either a member of the black rock crew or a time traveler.

speedofthepuma 6 Jun 2008 22:29:51 13,428 posts
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It has presumably been pointed out that Locke may be Ben's son? (I only read back so far).

(and maybe Ben is Widmore's)

Or am I the only person who thought the former in the Locke-centric ep?

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