Following Idiotic Mac Questions for an Idiotic Mac Newbie Idiot. Idiot. Page 63

  • Armoured_Bear 7 Feb 2019 10:11:15 27,440 posts
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    dominalien wrote:
    I have been lucky in that respect as all my Macs work fine, but the planned software obsolescence is annoying me no end.
    High Sierra works with machines from 2009/2010, only Mojave is limited to 2012 + machines due to the need for modern GPUs.
    I really don't see the problem.
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 10:11:17 9,274 posts
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    Like I said an a later post, that's been my impression, bar a couple of cases. I am admitting the possibility that it is wrong.
  • nickthegun 7 Feb 2019 10:12:29 78,776 posts
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    dominalien wrote:
    I have been lucky in that respect as all my Macs work fine, but the planned software obsolescence is annoying me no end.
    The 2011 replaced the giant 17", 2007(?) MBP. That fucking thing was like triggers broom. It had two new inverter boards, a new keyboard, a new screen, a new fan and three new batteries that all suffered from swelling.
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 10:14:54 9,274 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    High Sierra works with machines from 2009/2010, only Mojave is limited to 2012 + machines due to the need for modern GPUs.
    I really don't see the problem.
    The problem is that in a few years at most the latest available system will be unsupported and new versions of software will no longer be installable on a perfectly capable computer. I realise it may not be a problem for others, but it is a problem for me. It's not even a financial thing, I'm simply unwilling to scrap good hardware when the only reason I'm doing it is because of arbitrary software decisions.
  • nickthegun 7 Feb 2019 10:16:55 78,776 posts
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    It is kind of ironic that you can just bang W10 on there and merrily compute away indefinitely.
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 10:17:04 9,274 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    dominalien wrote:
    I have been lucky in that respect as all my Macs work fine, but the planned software obsolescence is annoying me no end.
    The 2011 replaced the giant 17", 2007(?) MBP. That fucking thing was like triggers broom. It had two new inverter boards, a new keyboard, a new screen, a new fan and three new batteries that all suffered from swelling.
    Never buy new hardware revisions, right? ;-)
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 10:17:47 9,274 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    It is kind of ironic that you can just bang W10 on there and merrily compute away indefinitely.
    Yeah, that's the point, really. Or a Linux. Did I mention Linux? It's awesome. :-P
  • elstoof 7 Feb 2019 10:25:20 24,102 posts
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    I couldn’t give much of a fuck about new OS features, hence I don’t “upgrade” very regularly. Launchpad, mission control, dashboard etc it’s all shit that never gets used. Finder in heirarchical mode still works as well as it always did. Upgrading the OS is like doing the laundry, you either do it out of necessity or procrastination
  • Armoured_Bear 7 Feb 2019 10:25:38 27,440 posts
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    dominalien wrote:
    Like I said an a later post, that's been my impression, bar a couple of cases. I am admitting the possibility that it is wrong.
    It’s definitely wrong, I had a couple of High Sierra updates a few weeks ago.
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 10:28:35 9,274 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    I couldn’t give much of a fuck about new OS features, hence I don’t “upgrade” very regularly. Launchpad, mission control, dashboard etc it’s all shit that never gets used. Finder in heirarchical mode still works as well as it always did. Upgrading the OS is like doing the laundry, you either do it out of necessity or procrastination
    Heh, yeah, my computer would often mysteriously break down and require a reinstall before exams. In retrospect, I really should have studied something else.
  • Armoured_Bear 7 Feb 2019 10:29:02 27,440 posts
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    dominalien wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    High Sierra works with machines from 2009/2010, only Mojave is limited to 2012 + machines due to the need for modern GPUs.
    I really don't see the problem.
    The problem is that in a few years at most the latest available system will be unsupported and new versions of software will no longer be installable on a perfectly capable computer. I realise it may not be a problem for others, but it is a problem for me. It's not even a financial thing, I'm simply unwilling to scrap good hardware when the only reason I'm doing it is because of arbitrary software decisions.
    If they usually manage to support 9 year old machines, how will new systems be unsupported “in a few years at most”?

    How is a new hardware accelerated API needing a GPU that is less that 7 years old “arbitrary”?
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 10:32:36 9,274 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    How is a new hardware accelerated API needing a GPU that is less that 7 years old “arbitrary”?
    Somehow other systems don't need new APIs just to run. And I wasn't talking about new machines, I was talking about old, perfectly usable machines.
  • Tonka 7 Feb 2019 11:23:09 29,827 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    dominalien wrote:
    The “features” of a new os version are negligible. What really matters are security updates and these stop coming as soon as a new version is out.
    That's not true at all.
    What new OS features are you using? The last really useful thing I remember was when they finally turned Spotlight into an Alfred clone.

    I like having the latest security upgrades. Other than that there might be tons I'm missing out on.
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 11:28:22 9,274 posts
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    I checked and El Capitan is no longer supported (came out 3.5 years ago), with the last supported version being Sierra (came out 2.5 years ago). That's not as bad as I thought, but not really good either. Meaning my MBP has 1.5 years of macOS life left in it, if it were still running macOS. It probably has 5+ years left on a different operating system.
  • elstoof 7 Feb 2019 12:09:05 24,102 posts
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    I’ve never known a laptop to give 5 years of use from new, let alone another 5 years from however old your laptop is now
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 12:27:12 9,274 posts
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    As in they break, or become unusably slow or?
  • elstoof 7 Feb 2019 12:35:12 24,102 posts
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    Both, is my experience. Probably out of touch as I’ve been on Mac for a long time, however. Reading back through the thread, your MacBook is 9 years old right? That’s a bloody good return I think.
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 12:37:36 9,274 posts
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    Yeah, I'm not complaining. The way I use it now I don't want another computer. The battery is going (still getting a good 2h use out of it though) and once it goes completely I'll have to decide whether to get a new one (which probably won't last 8+ years) or get a new machine.
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 12:38:31 9,274 posts
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    Oh the other hand, I have a 2008 MBP in the company and that still serves its purpose well. That one has had its battery replaced, however.
  • elstoof 7 Feb 2019 12:55:17 24,102 posts
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    I fired up my 2008 not long ago, I think it’s the FireWire one, still works after all those years gathering dust. The screen is such a step back though. I think I got my current one in 2013, I’ll just keep that going until there’s some new development in user experience like a significant visual improvement, or it dies. 16GB or ram should keep it fairly relevant for the next few years
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 13:03:35 9,274 posts
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    Yeah, the screen on the 2008 is a joke. A "pro" machine for bazillions and all they could do was an 18-bit display with 260 thousand colours.

    I upgraded the 2008 with 4GB ram and an SSD and it's very nice. Similarly, my 2010 now comes with 8GB and an SSD and is plenty ok.

    Edited by dominalien at 13:04:11 07-02-2019
  • Armoured_Bear 7 Feb 2019 13:04:35 27,440 posts
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    Tonka wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    dominalien wrote:
    The “features” of a new os version are negligible. What really matters are security updates and these stop coming as soon as a new version is out.
    That's not true at all.
    What new OS features are you using? The last really useful thing I remember was when they finally turned Spotlight into an Alfred clone.

    I like having the latest security upgrades. Other than that there might be tons I'm missing out on.
    I was referring to his second sentence tbh.
  • Armoured_Bear 7 Feb 2019 13:14:16 27,440 posts
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    dominalien wrote:
    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    How is a new hardware accelerated API needing a GPU that is less that 7 years old “arbitrary”?
    Somehow other systems don't need new APIs just to run. And I wasn't talking about new machines, I was talking about old, perfectly usable machines.
    I don’t understand what you mean, do you think Windows 10 will run on a 486?
  • dominalien 7 Feb 2019 13:26:36 9,274 posts
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    All this OS talk has made me go and install a new one. I blame you guys and my long, lazy day at work. :-)
  • elstoof 7 Feb 2019 13:55:51 24,102 posts
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    Well you can run W10 on an Atom or some other obsolete junk, although it will grind to a halt if you try and do anything on it. What is it, like a 1Ghz minimum requirement for the os
  • Zerobob 7 Feb 2019 13:59:19 2,263 posts
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    Does anyone have a 2015 13" MBP running Mojave?

    Currently on Sierra, and my favourite aspect of the laptop is the fact you can snappily multitask loads of everyday applications with no heat or fan noise, so just wondering if the Mojave update would affect performance on the 13" 2015 model?

    Another concern is that the battery life might be reduced.
  • elstoof 7 Feb 2019 14:01:50 24,102 posts
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    I’ve got Mojave on my 2013 MBP, no issues at all. I only did the update about 2 weeks ago so memories of the previous OS are still fresh

    Edited by elstoof at 14:03:45 07-02-2019
  • Armoured_Bear 7 Feb 2019 14:28:22 27,440 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    Well you can run W10 on an Atom or some other obsolete junk, although it will grind to a halt if you try and do anything on it. What is it, like a 1Ghz minimum requirement for the os
    No longer.

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/20/microsoft_blames_intel_for_clover_trail_pcs_left_out_of_creators_update/

    Edited by Armoured_Bear at 14:29:09 07-02-2019
  • Zerobob 7 Feb 2019 14:49:14 2,263 posts
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    @elstoof Thanks for the feedback. Not heard about any recent bugs relating to Mojave, so I may as well just do the update.
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