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Deleted user 10 March 2008 13:14:12

DTE - never heard of gameseek so i got mine from the official site. are gameseek any good?

Der_tolle_Emil 10 Mar 2008 13:20:09 7,308 posts
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No idea, ordered the first time there. Someone else mentioned them in this very thread. Site and the automatically generated emails make a solid impression. And they shipped my order today (ordered late Saturday).

Machetazo 10 Mar 2008 13:24:48 6,373 posts
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I'm happy, that my Datel order status has now changed to "shipped".

Anonymous- 10 Mar 2008 15:22:58 34 posts
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The thing is I'm very uncertain of with Nintendo is:

If we aren't allowed to use freeloaders to import games from other regions.

Why are we allowed (or are we?) to buy the consoles from Japan and play japanese games back in Europe?

Before Nintendo states that they dislike the freeloader and it's a violation of terms to several companies in the different region's countries, why haven't Nintendo done anything to stop us European users to buy Japanese region coded consoles and then import the consoles back to Europe as well import games?

And if you're saying "But Nintendo doesn't allow people to buy different region consoles than their own country supports"

Why doesn't Nintendo do something about it?

Sony sued www.lik-sang.com for illegally exporting Asian PSP's to Europe without Sony knowing (correct me if I'm wrong) but I haven't seen Nintendo done that?

From Lik-Sang "Sony claimed that Lik-Sang infringed its trade marks, copyright and registered design rights by selling Sony PSP consoles from Asia to European customers, and have recently obtained a judgment in the High Court of London (England) rendering Lik-Sang's sales of PSP consoles unlawful.
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My argument states that Nintendo are as worthless and "not-caring" as Blizzard is in support.

Der_tolle_Emil 10 Mar 2008 15:30:35 7,308 posts
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You are allowed to by whatever you want. Nintendo cannot do anything about it.

What they can do however is enforce dealers to restrict shipment to other regions (in most countries). This happens all the time and not just with Nintendo or other gaming firms, a lot of products are intended to be sold in the US/Canada only. Sometimes the manufactors cannot sell their products legally elsewhere because of licensing problems or other things of that matter.

Deleted user 10 March 2008 15:45:23

Pirotic wrote:

ecureuil wrote:
Loads and loads of people have been having problems with Brawl, I took a glance at the Gamefaqs board, and there's tons of people complaining about it. Nothing to do with Freeloader though.

It's the first double layered Wii game I think, and the lasers are quite weak in some wii's and have trouble reading them.

As I said, tried NMH again with no luck - but it may just be me, thought it might be because it wanted an update so did the old take the disk out, put it back in, take it out, put game back in. same result.

Wait for more reports to come out before cancelling orders, I don't want to get burnt alive if somebody finds a way to get it working after you lot cancel your orders. I remember ye old Gamecube one had different modes if you hold down buttons, not sure if it's the same this time.

@Pirotic: dumb questions but bear with me - how is your Wii connected to your telly? Composite (or whatever was in the box), RGB scart or Component. And have you tried changing to 60Hz?

Thought I might as well ask though I'm sure you've covered all the bases ...

Anonymous- 10 Mar 2008 15:54:05 34 posts
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Der_tolle_Emil wrote:
You are allowed to by whatever you want. Nintendo cannot do anything about it.

What they can do however is enforce dealers to restrict shipment to other regions (in most countries). This happens all the time and not just with Nintendo or other gaming firms, a lot of products are intended to be sold in the US/Canada only. Sometimes the manufactors cannot sell their products legally elsewhere because of licensing problems or other things of that matter.

But why do they intend to (if this IS TRUE) update firms and prohibit the freeloader?

While you're at it, why don't you just prohibit the other region's codes to be able to be accessed in a foreign region.

From my point of view, this isn't a "right" decision that's perhaps going to be made by Nintendo in the future.

If they want to prohibit the freeloader from being imported, then prohibit everything. Or else it's not fair for those who cannot afford 2 consoles...or those who live in a region that the game isn't even going to be released in.

Anonymous- 10 Mar 2008 16:09:54 34 posts
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Well I can't say that I'm the only one with those conclusions...besides didn't Nintendo block the GC Freeloader? And that didn't happen by accident or did it?

TheBear 10 Mar 2008 16:18:53 4,763 posts
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Datel still haven't dispatched my order....weird man.

Anonymous- 10 Mar 2008 16:35:38 34 posts
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I meant the GC freeloader for Wii....

But if they accidently blocked the GC freeloader why did they refuse to fix it?

Deleted user 10 March 2008 16:52:29

tap wrote:

Rdysn5 wrote:
hey Ares, does your tracking number work?
When I click on mine it says can not locate shipment details. Nothing to worry about I hope. It says its shipped anyway on my order page

I haven't ever been able to get the tracking number to work since it shipped on the 6th. Didn't receive a shipping email confirmation either. A tad worrying.

Hmm, I emailed Codejunkies about an hour ago to ask where my disc was considering it has been showing as shipped since the 6th *and* pointing out that the UPS tracking didn't work.

Hey presto! I get an email from UPS not five minutes ago telling me that my package has been dispatched TODAY!

What a coincidence!

Utter swines.

Anonymous- 10 Mar 2008 16:57:24 34 posts
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ecureuil wrote:
Because they don't want people playing import games on the Wii.

So they are against the freeloader

And hey! Here comes another conclusion, they will try to block the freeloader and probably succeed

Der_tolle_Emil 10 Mar 2008 17:31:19 7,308 posts
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Of course will they block the freeloader. Why not? They have a clear stance regarding imports and blocking the freeloader really isn't all that difficult. Not updating the firmware to counter it would not make any sense at all.

It will not happen in the next few weeks though. It's not an 'urgent threat' if you want to put it that way, but nobody would be surprised if the next big firmware update will disable it

Der_tolle_Emil 10 Mar 2008 17:36:03 7,308 posts
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True. However Nintendo already updated the shop once and required people to update the firmware. Games will probably do the same in the future and then being able to skip the updates is rather useless. You can still use the freeloader however you won't be able to play the latest games or access the shop. I doubt many people will rather hold on to their freeloader then.

absolutezero 10 Mar 2008 18:41:08 7,952 posts
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The update was never meant to break the original Freeloader.

Nintendo will never go out of their way to kill something thats still giving them money.

Der_tolle_Emil 10 Mar 2008 19:24:07 7,308 posts
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I don't think we will ever know if they intended to break the freeloader or not. But I'm sure that they couldn't care less if they broke it or not. In fact I'm almost sure that it was more like "while we're at it we could screw the freeloader as well".

Also as ecureuil (damn that is hard to type :/ ) pointed out Nintendo are losing money if you buy the import games, at least on games that do get released in Europe as well. Localization costs money and that money comes from the local sales. They don't cover their expenses with global sales but mostly with the sales of the localized version.

Der_tolle_Emil 10 Mar 2008 19:25:40 7,308 posts
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Artemus wrote:
My copy has now shipped from Codejunkies, even though I thought I canceled the order yesterday...

Now do I order NMH or not? Apart from Pirotic, I've not read a single other person trying to get this game to work. And that's on a few sites.

If I were you I'd wait a few more days. There will be quite some reports tomorrow or in two days when the freeloader gets to the people who ordered it, including a few of us here on EG. My copy shipped today (NMH shipped last week) so I'm pretty sure I can tell you this week if it will work or not.

absolutezero 10 Mar 2008 19:40:38 7,952 posts
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Der_tolle_Emil wrote:
I don't think we will ever know if they intended to break the freeloader or not. But I'm sure that they couldn't care less if they broke it or not. In fact I'm almost sure that it was more like "while we're at it we could screw the freeloader as well".

Its more like the patch was made to fix a security hole that pirates were using and that the Freeloader used aswell.

Thats why Datel could make another Gamecube Freeloader that still works. The latest version of the Cuber freeloader works on the Wii, and yet Nintendo still have'nt created another patch to kill it have they?

Der_tolle_Emil 10 Mar 2008 20:47:12 7,308 posts
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absolutezero wrote:

Der_tolle_Emil wrote:
I don't think we will ever know if they intended to break the freeloader or not. But I'm sure that they couldn't care less if they broke it or not. In fact I'm almost sure that it was more like "while we're at it we could screw the freeloader as well".

Its more like the patch was made to fix a security hole that pirates were using and that the Freeloader used aswell.

What makes you think that it will be different this time? Who knows what the freeloader is exploiting this time and what else could be possible.

I don't get the discussion at all by the way. Why do we argue if Nintendo 'accidently' blocked the freeloader or not? They don't approve of the freeloader and breaking it is rather easy for them so it will happen, even if they say they didn't block the freeloader on purpose. They definetly will.

Edit: The Wii freeloader of course.

absolutezero 10 Mar 2008 21:38:40 7,952 posts
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When did Nintendo say they did'nt approve?

The breaking of the Cube Freeloader is being used as evidence for Nintendo breaking the Wii one.

Like ecu just said they have'nt killed the updated Freeloader because there would be no point. There never was a point when they did it in the first place either.

El_Che 10 Mar 2008 21:54:31 35 posts
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Got my copy of US no more heroes today. Sitting on my desk patiently awaiting my Freeloader.

Since Codejunkies never sent my Freeloader, i cancelled it, got confused when nothing happened, and mailed them to cancel it. I actually got a response where they confirmed the cancellation.

Ordered it from divineo saturday. Still not shipped tonight.

The horror.

And still we don't know whether we can actually play this game with freeloader... Anyone heard any accounts at all? I saw one in this thread saying that it didn't work (a moderator I think?).

Any other accounts?

johnlenham 10 Mar 2008 22:12:22 4,000 posts
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absolutezero wrote:
When did Nintendo say they did'nt approve?

The breaking of the Cube Freeloader is being used as evidence for Nintendo breaking the Wii one.

Like ecu just said they have'nt killed the updated Freeloader because there would be no point. There never was a point when they did it in the first place either.

The breaking of the cube one was more the fact that it allowed you to hack the Wii into playing "Backups" or along those line and they didnt "intentionaly" kill the freeloader in genral.

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