urban wrote: I dunno, but... /sticks tongue into cheek we've had Blair and now Brown in power since Scotland got their own parliament, and I think it could be a cunning Scottish plan to get their own back on us after all these years - send two 'crack' politicians down here to thoroughly bugger up our economy and global standing, and woot!, it's whiskey golf and scotch pancakes all round  /removes tongue from cheek, wipes down and returns to mouth |
Gordon Brown - What is he doing? • Page 2
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neil74 2,341 posts
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Registered 15 years agoCome home agent Brown your work is now done. -
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JYM60 19,085 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI thought there was no PM now.
Oh well. -
glaeken 12,070 posts
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Registered 17 years agoDUFFKING wrote:
Isn't stuff that needs to be done to 'save' the economy also the stuff that involves losing votes because people care more about having more money now than being better off in the future? So no matter who you vote for you're going to be putting up with the same shit.
This is pretty much the problem with leadership in democracies. It's all about keeping popularity and sometimes this is incompatible with things that actually need doing.
We end up with weak government because of this but then weak governments don't tend to be very good at things like carrying out genocides so I guess it balances out in the pro/con department. -
Clive_Dunn 4,862 posts
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Registered 18 years agoHe's doing everything possible given the overall state of govt finances - which is of course precisely fuck all and hoping for the best.
In all honesty the government isn't really to blame for the current debacle, however they pretty much deserve everything they are going to get simply because they claimed credit for an "economic miracle" that rested solely on a bunch of highly dubious risk assessments on what, in the cold light of day, was basically a pyramid scheme.
I suppose though it all comes down to how you want to structure your economy. If you don't have a solid manufacturing base then you need to rely on the quick bucks financial institutions can make.
Just to annoy the original poster, who's propensity to apparently ask innocent questions with an open mind is highly questionable. This is therefore all Thatchers fault. -
Just watching the news. Some big company is one of the first of many that has decided moved from England to Ireland because of tax reasons. 28% to 10%. C-ar-azy. -
malteaserhead 13,443 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIreland's going tits up too though 
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neil74 2,341 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPhysically_Insane wrote:
Just watching the news. Some big company is one of the first of many that has decided moved from England to Ireland because of tax reasons. 28% to 10%. C-ar-azy.
That'll be Thatchers fault! -
President_Weasel 12,355 posts
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Registered 17 years agoSeriously, what makes you think the Tories could do any better? "Let's give them a chance?"
What are their plans to fix the economy?
What are Cameron's plans to achieve anything, come to think about it? Apart from doing "webcameron" publicity videos, and faking being green? He's the shallowest, least principled, and most self-serving politician since Tony Blair, and I will be damned before I let another smile, wave, and say anything to anyone Tony Blair clone run this country.
I'll be voting for the ugly unlikeable Scottish bloke, not "time for a change, oh doesn't he have a nice smile, time for a change, he will fix things with his nice hair, time for a change" oily smug posh Tory boy git Cameron
Tax cuts for the rich and war with the Unions, that's bound to fix this country. There's already been too much of that under Labour, are you seriously trying to tell me the Tories plan to tax more and invest in infrastructure and public-service pay deals? -
President_Weasel 12,355 posts
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Registered 17 years agoYeah, it's saddening.
At least the Libs have some ideas and some of them seem genuinely interested in doing good. On the other hand, they do seem to manage to have different and competing ideologies within the same party depending on what seat they're going for, which they can do safe in the knowledge they'll never get into power.
I think quite a few people would vote for the libs if they thought they could actually win. There's a good few people sick of Labour and terrified of letting the Tories back in - considering they sold off all the nationalised industries last time, I figure they'll be harvesting us all for our organs by their second term. -
pjmaybe 70,666 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThe local lib dem council really fucked us over recently - Sold off part of the town's heritage to turn into a massive housing complex "with a few token shops, for the people y'understand"
Then whacked the council tax up by 2% after previously promising there wouldn't be a rise because of the money made from the development.
Twisted sons of whores. -
neil74 2,341 posts
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Registered 15 years agocambridge wrote:
President Weasel wrote:
Seriously, what makes you think the Tories could do any better? "Let's give them a chance?"
bollocks, innit. it's like having to choose the lesser of two evils.
/world needs a superhero
Agreed but in the absence of super P.M what a crap attitude.
How do we know that is would be choosing the lesser of two evils? Yes D.C is a bit of swarmy sod but he is imo a lot more likeable than TB and GB.
Yes they could f*ck it up but then what's the alternative? The term lesser of two evils is an easy one to throw about without justification and in this case we have no idea how the tories would do. All politicians are t*ssers really I just want a fair t*sser.
Shall we just let the power hungry scottish bloke carry on? -
neil74 2,341 posts
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Registered 15 years agocambridge wrote:
neil74 wrote:
cambridge wrote:
bollocks, innit. it's like having to choose between the lesser of two evils.
/world needs a superhero
Agreed but in the absence of super P.M what a crap attitude.
i don't disagree. call me a pariah or chalk it down to voter apathy. give me an effective opposition party that inspires me to believe in anything other than abject cynicism and i'm there.
Fair shout. -
Brown has been busy fucking up the economy for over a decade. He built a house on sand and now it is sinking. -
neil74 2,341 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI don't normally read the mail but I did today and this made me chuckle.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/columnists/dailymail.html?in_article_id=559694&in_page_id=1790 -
neil74 2,341 posts
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Registered 15 years agoIam wrote:
I'd read it, but it's Littlejohn and he's a surplus cunt.
Yes, I'm no fan of his but it is still funny imo. -
President_Weasel 12,355 posts
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Registered 17 years agoIam wrote:
The only way I'd laugh at him would be if he were on fire. That'd be funny.
It would be even funnier if a group of immigrant single mums (some of whom were on benefit) had the fire extinguishers. -
Stickman 29,986 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI still wouldn't laugh. I'd watch on with grim determination to make sure the odious hatefuck died. -
Stickman 29,986 posts
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Registered 17 years agoBill Door wrote:
appointed 3 strategic directors who's first job is to find £250,000 of annual savings to cover their salaries
* they have it sussed though- a round of job regradings is occurring (my wife is being "regraded" to a level on 4/5ths of what shes on now
How odd, this is exactly what's just happened in the Nottingham NHS Trust. I wish I was clever and high paid enough to come up with the plan "to save money, pay people less". -
neil74 2,341 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPresident Weasel wrote:
Iam wrote:
The only way I'd laugh at him would be if he were on fire. That'd be funny.
It would be even funnier if a group of immigrant single mums (some of whom were on benefit) had the fire extinguishers.
Yes immigrant single mothers are the pillar of our community.
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President Weasel wrote:
/coughs
It would be even funnier if a group of immigrant single Lesbian mums (some of whom were on benefit) had the fire extinguishers. -
neil74 2,341 posts
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Registered 15 years agoOk based on the fact that everybody here thinks LJ is a tosser it is not a funny article.
End of thread? -
I don't know - I don't want to give the Mail any more advertising monies to find out. -
Eighthours 713 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThis 10% tax rate situation is the most monumental fuck-up. What makes it so bad is that Brown actually believes that people will buy his "oh, but pensioners are getting extra winter fuel payments and families are getting more in tax credits to offset the change" line.
If you are single and earning less than £18k a year, Brown has taken much-needed money out of your pocket. Not once have I seen him or a minister actually admit that the people most in need of extra cash are losing out.
To add to this, the economy looks screwed - again, down to Brown saying one thing while underneath everything's gone to pot because of his ridiculous borrowing. -
neil74 2,341 posts
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Registered 15 years agoEighthours wrote:
This 10% tax rate situation is the most monumental fuck-up. What makes it so bad is that Brown actually believes that people will buy his "oh, but pensioners are getting extra winter fuel payments and families are getting more in tax credits to offset the change" line.
If you are single and earning less than £18k a year, Brown has taken much-needed money out of your pocket. Not once have I seen him or a minister actually admit that the people most in need of extra cash are losing out.
To add to this, the economy looks screwed - again, down to Brown saying one thing while underneath everything's gone to pot because of his ridiculous borrowing.
Much as I dislike the man with a passion I am not sure it is his fault that the economy is heading for a downturn. What I do blame him for however is that we enter a difficult period in pretty poor shape to quote someone who I cannot remember he failed to fix the roof when the sun was shining.
What this country needs right now is for as much as pressure as possible to be removed from the taxpayer not just individuals but companies too but I am assuming that he is unable to do this as he has spunked all the money elsewhere and we have none left. So when we need a break what we get instead is more tax, dearer petrol, dearer food and rising utility bills. Nice Work! -
President_Weasel 12,355 posts
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Registered 17 years agoWhat exactly is he supposed to have "spunked the money" on?
Does Britain now have a gigantic set of alloy wheels with chrome spinners, and massive speakers?
Was it that subscription he took out for everyone in the country for all those collectible magazines, build the bismark in 300 issues and all that?
All that Ratnersesque jewelry he bought for Britain on the Shopping Channel?
Damn him and his profligate ways!
And how is he supposed to be taking the pressure off individuals and companie- oh wait, it's Tory Code for tax cuts. Sorry, stupid of me. -
oceanmotion 17,358 posts
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Registered 18 years agoBill Door wrote:
pjmaybe wrote:
The local lib dem council really fucked us over recently - Sold off part of the town's heritage to turn into a massive housing complex "with a few token shops, for the people y'understand"
Then whacked the council tax up by 2% after previously promising there wouldn't be a rise because of the money made from the development.
Twisted sons of whores.
Better than our libdem(on) bunch have done. They've sold off most of the council property portfolio over the years, appointed 3 strategic directors who's first job is to find £250,000 of annual savings to cover their salaries*, and put the council tax up as a result.
* they have it sussed though- a round of job regradings is occurring (my wife is being "regraded" to a level on 4/5ths of what shes on now), which has lead Unison to point out that the lowest office based job in the council actually pays less than stacking shelves at Sainsbury.
Think that happened to my mum recently. She tried for a while to show them she is doing a job that higher paid people do but they weren't interested so she quit and found a better job. News down the grape vine is they have hired an intern to replace her who obviously get paid peanuts and are clueless so the others have to help them making their job harder, nice saving for their stupidly high salaries. Twats. -
In my experience of people I have actually met the only people who agree with the labour ethos on tax are either too poor for it to cost them anything or too rich to give a shit.
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