Police to drop Madeleine McCann investigation Page 18

  • Youthist 14 Oct 2013 09:59:50 14,262 posts
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    tincanrocket wrote:
    @Youthist Is that you, Gerry?

    Have these two ever actually been prosecuted for leaving their children alone whilst they went boozing? The fact that they seem to have made themselves quite a lot of money over the years from this, and that they both look shifty as hell. Well.... it makes you think something's not kosher
    lol all round.
  • nickthegun 14 Oct 2013 10:00:00 82,376 posts
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    I dunno. Child abduction isnt my specialist subject.
  • Deleted user 14 October 2013 10:00:13
    I also am not mad about the whole "the parents probably did it" thing. I don't find it that likely, and even if it's a strong possibility, I think they should be given the benefit of all doubt in the absence of pretty solid evidence. They've had an awful enough thing happen to them without having that accusation put upon them.

    Don't really like the vague hint of them getting what they deserve with the "I'd never leave my kids unattended" type comments either. Yes, they made a massive mistake, but all parents do, it's just 99% of the time you get away with it.
  • spamdangled 14 Oct 2013 10:03:47 31,803 posts
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    So because they look "a bit shifty", they must have done it?

    Well I'm sold! Who needs the police and courts, eh?
  • Youthist 14 Oct 2013 10:03:55 14,262 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    The 'snatched by a pedo' thing assumes that out of all the rooms in the hotel, theirs was chosen by a sex ring after the sex cases stalked it long enough to realise that everyone was out and the kids were in there, sleeping alone.

    Its an absolutely incredible set of circumstances and probabilities compared to 'the parents did it'.
    I would say that the probability is more along the lines of loner oddball opportunist type grab situation. We have seen many of these types of child abduction in the UK in the last twenty years. Rare, but it happens - and never seems to end well. I would say that it would be "exceptional" to find out that the parents are involved in some massive cover up. When the parents are involved, it is usually a long standing abusive parents situation that leads to a childs death (which there have been many cases of in recent years).
    Edited by Youthist at 10:04:16 14-10-2013

    Edited by Youthist at 10:05:37 14-10-2013
  • Dougs 14 Oct 2013 10:04:11 94,683 posts
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    I think there's a difference between leaving your kid playing whilst you nip to the bog and fucking off for a meal all night. I don't think they got what they deserve at all, as I say, they're the ones that have to live with their decision.
  • nickthegun 14 Oct 2013 10:08:13 82,376 posts
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    This is the problem with family holidays. You either neglect your children or your life absolutely fucking sucks after 8 oclock.
  • Ziz0u 14 Oct 2013 10:10:00 11,006 posts
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    Youthist wrote:
    Chopsen wrote:
    When 4 year old kids go missing, it is basically everywhere in the media and a massive amount of publicity ensues - both during the search, and subsequent trials when child-snatchers are caught and brought to justice. To suggest they do not get huge attention is wrong.
    Stop talking shit. Unless you're referring to the UK alone.
  • Dougs 14 Oct 2013 10:10:54 94,683 posts
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    Indeed. It's pretty much why I only really want to go self-catering until the kids are old enough to take a few late nights.
  • morriss 14 Oct 2013 10:11:02 71,293 posts
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    nickthegun wrote:
    This is the problem with family holidays. You either neglect your children or your life absolutely fucking sucks after 8 oclock.
    If you (one) can't take a joke, don't have kids. :)
  • morriss 14 Oct 2013 10:12:36 71,293 posts
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    How can we see "many" cases and they're "rare, but they happen" at the same time?
  • nickthegun 14 Oct 2013 10:12:51 82,376 posts
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    He's probably right about the attention on child abductions, its just that the kids usually either turn up dead or are found pretty quickly. Its unusual for a pretty, white girl to be missing so long without a loner in a white transit being hauled in for questioning.
  • spamdangled 14 Oct 2013 10:14:33 31,803 posts
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    There was something on the BBC earlier about how over 90% of child disappearances are resolved within 48 hours.

    But it's a complicated case, not helped by the way that the Portugese Police initially handled it.

    Edited by darkmorgado at 10:15:05 14-10-2013
  • Deleted user 14 October 2013 10:14:54
    People who say they get what they deaerved are obviously thinking about this the wrong way.

    At the end of the day Madeline was the victim not the parents. They will have to deal with the consequences of their actions but at the end of the day, they aren't the ones being sold/murdered
  • Deleted user 14 October 2013 10:16:44
    nickthegun wrote:
    This is the problem with family holidays. You either neglect your children or your life absolutely fucking sucks after 8 oclock.
    Plenty of places offer childcare. Mark Warner in fact (where the McCanns were staying) are among the best, but there's loads of that sort of thing - ClubMed etc.
  • morriss 14 Oct 2013 10:17:16 71,293 posts
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    The risk involved for someone to get her out of the room where she could have woken and screamed or her sibling waking up and screaming etc. makes it all sound so dubious to me. Why her? Why go to all the trouble. Loads of small kids to snatch at plenty of other places. How did the person know they weren't there? Where they target and followed? Was there someone on the look-out to see if no-one was coming back to check? That must mean there was more than one involved. Too much stress, risk and work for an impulsive snatch. ...and to suggest this is the work of some calculated network of international child-kidnappers doesn't sit right with me either. She died in the room because they drugged her. Her fibres were found in the boot of the hired care her parents rented. Case closed. :)
  • Deleted user 14 October 2013 10:19:33
    There are lots of believable scenarios. Perhaps she ran away and was then abducted.
  • Deleted user 14 October 2013 10:19:38
    Did you know if you clicked on quote message ou can read what was written before it was deleted

    And re post it
  • Ziz0u 14 Oct 2013 10:23:46 11,006 posts
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    Sassy
  • Youthist 14 Oct 2013 10:24:25 14,262 posts
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    morriss wrote: Her fibres were found in the boot of the hired care her parents rented. Case closed. :)
    I have been on many family holidays and there is zero chance that there would be no evidence / fibres of my children existing in any car I have ever had on holiday. The amount of shit that needs to go in, and come out of the boot of a car when on holiday, on a daily basis is staggering (normally multiple times - clothes, equipment, towels etc).
  • morriss 14 Oct 2013 10:25:03 71,293 posts
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    kalel wrote:
    There are lots of believable scenarios. Perhaps she ran away and was then abducted.
    Whilst on a sleeping tablet? There was no evidence/suggestion of her getting out of her own accord, either, was there?
  • morriss 14 Oct 2013 10:25:33 71,293 posts
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    Youthist wrote:
    morriss wrote: Her fibres were found in the boot of the hired care her parents rented. Case closed. :)
    I have been on many family holidays and there is zero chance that there would be no evidence / fibres of my children existing in any car I have ever had on holiday. The amount of shit that needs to go in, and come out of the boot of a car when on holiday, on a daily basis is staggering (normally multiple times - clothes, equipment, towels etc).
    I know. Hence the smily, I was being facetious.
  • TheSaint 14 Oct 2013 10:27:41 19,706 posts
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    It's very strange how BBC news has been this using this story as a big advert for tonight's crimewatch.

    "The timeline has changed, find out how tonight at 9 on BBC1."
  • morriss 14 Oct 2013 10:28:45 71,293 posts
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    I thought the story we've been sold was that nasty man gets in through window, tip-toes across floor, gets out with sleeping child and runs down street whilst leaving no evidence and no-one actually sees anything whilst the McCann's were eating with friends who periodically went back to check on the kids. The kidnapper was either extremely lucky that no-one came back or knew they wouldn't be coming back.

    Or is there new stuff I don't know?
  • morriss 14 Oct 2013 10:29:06 71,293 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    It's very strange how BBC news has been this using this story as a big advert for tonight's crimewatch.

    "The timeline has changed, find out how tonight at 9 on BBC1."
    Answers my question.
  • Deleted user 14 October 2013 10:29:11
    morriss wrote:
    kalel wrote:
    There are lots of believable scenarios. Perhaps she ran away and was then abducted.
    Whilst on a sleeping tablet? There was no evidence/suggestion of her getting out of her own accord, either, was there?
    Well, the whole thing was that the door was left ajar, so no reason why she couldn't have walked out herself.

    I didn't realise the sleeping tablet thing was actually an known fact btw. I thought that was just some theory the papers came up with.
  • morriss 14 Oct 2013 10:31:56 71,293 posts
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    I thought the parents admitted the often gave their kids a mild sedative at night?
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