Chrono Trigger DS Page 4

  • Thunderhead 8 Jul 2008 00:13:31 558 posts
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    ecureuil wrote:
    PinkSpider wrote:
    Additional loading = taking the piss loading.

    Pressing the menu button felt much smoother in the 3D final fantasies than the ports.

    It wasn't that bad. You get used to it, and if you've never played the originals (people for which I guess the re-releases were targeted at), then you probably wouldn't even know. I went through FFIV on the PS1 about a week after doing it on the PC (via emulator) and I got used to the loading after a couple of hours.

    They are horribly slow. Really, even if you dont have the originals you will still get annoyed at how long it takes to access the menu or do things after a fight.
  • itamae 8 Jul 2008 00:14:31 10,213 posts
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    Hunam wrote:
    The only JRPG's near it is are Xenogears and Tales of Symphonia which are made from pure awesome.
    There must be a pattern in this. I didn't really enjoy any of those three games.
  • Thunderhead 8 Jul 2008 00:16:59 558 posts
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    disc wrote:
    Chrono Trigger is a decade old now, if they aren't going to update it they really ought not to release it at full price.

    Why is it that Virtual Console and PSN games are so cheap and DS rehashes aren't?

    Cos the DS games print money?

    I dunno........
  • GloatingSwine 8 Jul 2008 00:21:51 3,916 posts
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    disc wrote:
    Chrono Trigger is a decade old now, if they aren't going to update it they really ought not to release it at full price.

    Why is it that Virtual Console and PSN games are so cheap and DS rehashes aren't?

    Because the VC games are the original unaltered content running in emulation, and a DS rerelease requires reprogramming to the new platform, and has added content.
  • Thunderhead 8 Jul 2008 00:39:10 558 posts
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    disc wrote:
    So they are worth the full price? If you compare it to an original DS game that had a full team who worked on it?

    The trailer suggests it's the same game, no changes. Even with miminal changes it still needs only a small development team.
  • ilmaestro 8 Jul 2008 01:08:58 32,932 posts
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    JinTypeNoir wrote:
    Personally, I've never been able to understand why people balk when old games get re-released at premium prices. Just because something is old, does not mean it should be sold at a discount. I don't expect old movies, books or music to be cheaper because they've simply seen a lot of years, and I don't expect the same thing for games. Chrono Trigger and other classics haven't devalued in their quality in the least, so why should I expect a lower price?
    You're right - there're no such things as budget re-release labels in the video game industry. ;)

    If it has had some significant additions to it, then great, I'll be buying it. If it hasn't (and that was what was being suggested by everyone posting in the thread), then it's a piss-take.

    My ire mainly stems from the fact that it's not a new game. It's like hearing "Fire Emblem DS" and then finding out that it's another remake of the first game. I just don't have the time or inclination to get too excited about minimal makeover remakes (and, to be fair, Fire Emblem may be more than that, I haven't bothered reading about since I found out that it was a remake).
  • JinTypeNoir 8 Jul 2008 01:22:15 4,368 posts
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    ilmaestro wrote:

    You're right - there're no such things as budget re-release labels in the video game industry. ;)

    Ah, but almost all budget labels are of the same game on the same platform only a year or two (or less!) or so after its original release. Re-releases like this come at a time when the game is pretty hard to find in normal circulation. In that sense, it attracts new players to the game and keeps it easy to find, in a sense keeping it immortal. Publishers are more motivated to do this when they get a nice profit out of it.

    I imagine if someone coudl demonstrate to Lucasarts that there is a market out there for a Monkey Island port to some platform, and they could expect a price higher than some dirt ship single digit price, the chances of it finally getting pulled out of its dusty dungeon would be higher as well.

    A new Chrono game would of course be nice, but its almost a miracle that Chrono Cross turned out as amazing as it did, so I wonder if lightning can strike three times.

    By the way, Radical Dreamers, put in something, somewhere, would be nice wouldn't it? :p
  • ilmaestro 8 Jul 2008 02:26:48 32,932 posts
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    JinTypeNoir wrote:
    By the way, Radical Dreamers, put in something, somewhere, would be nice wouldn't it? :p
    Heh, then I would let them off with a full price release.

    I take your point about budget labels, but Chrono Trigger is hardly unavailable - the PS1 (budget re-re-re-release ^_^) version is in stock on amazon Japan, and the US compilation that it's part of is in stock at videogamesplus. I'm all for keeping games available, but the precedent is there for re-releasing the game at a lower price point (most recently I'm thinking of the Biohazard games on Wii).
  • Genji 8 Jul 2008 02:36:58 19,682 posts
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    lavalant wrote:
    surely if you're going to waste many hours playing an old school turnbased jrpg you might as well stick on FF7.
    The thing is, with Chrono Trigger, I never thought those hours were "wasted". I love it so much more than any of the Final Fantasy games.
  • Tonka 8 Jul 2008 04:40:26 31,980 posts
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    lavalant wrote:
    I have chrono trigger on my DS via the snes emulator, I haven;t really gotten into it yet. surely if you're going to waste many hours playing an old school turnbased jrpg you might as well stick on FF7.

    I personally think Chrono Trigger is the better game.
  • ilmaestro 8 Jul 2008 06:13:53 32,932 posts
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    ecu's nailed it, people are quick to announce how superior CT is to more "obvious" games like FFVII, but I'm happy enough to put that down to a combination of CT having a more "romantic" appeal, and the rampaging elitism of these (and most, to be fair) forums rather than an outright difference in quality.

    /is still in argumentative mood
  • Tonka 8 Jul 2008 06:53:25 31,980 posts
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    Oh I agree. CT is simpler, shorter more accessible and has a romantic touch. Those are the reasons I prefer it to FFVII. I've played CT twice and with this announcement I feel like playing it again.

    I really enjoyed FFVII all those years ago but I really couldn't be assed to play it one more time.

    So on the Elitist front I'd say you got it the wrong way around. CT is the easy listening of JRPGs
  • JinTypeNoir 8 Jul 2008 08:56:33 4,368 posts
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    I think it's just simpler to say that FFVII, regardless of how good or bad one might think the game is, divides opinion a lot more than Chrono Trigger, which isn't as controversial in appeal (no matter how controversial its development and staff ended up being in the long run) and is generally more of "just about everybody loves it, feel good" game.

    That said, Final Fantasy games in general are highly divisive anyway.
  • Tonka 8 Jul 2008 09:46:32 31,980 posts
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    Who doesn'tt like FFVII though? It aint me babe. No no no, it aint me babe.
  • Genji 8 Jul 2008 10:09:21 19,682 posts
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    I enjoyed FFVI far more than VII. I came to VII a lot later, though, so maybe I'm lacking rose-tinted specs.
  • Genji 8 Jul 2008 10:13:33 19,682 posts
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    FFVII seemed to drag on a lot longer than CT ever did, IMO. It felt like there was a lot more filler.
  • Chrono-Kun 8 Jul 2008 15:37:01 467 posts
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    And even though Chrono Trigger is full of cliches, they get it done right... with a few original tidbits
  • Chrono-Kun 8 Jul 2008 15:37:12 467 posts
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  • ilmaestro 8 Jul 2008 16:14:22 32,932 posts
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    FluffyTucker wrote:
    Besides, back then they weren't such big clichés :)
    Way back in the depths of 1995, when we were already up to FFVI, DQ V, Phantasy Star IV, plus who knows how many other series? Chrono Trigger is hardly "primordial soup of RPG" era.
  • varsas 10 Jul 2008 12:55:17 2,493 posts
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    How many of those were actually out in the West? I would have thought that it was still pretty original for most gamers outside of Japan.

    ilmaestro wrote:
    There shouldn't be a market for it over here if it's released at full price. Buying it will only validate their clearly held opinion that you're all a bunch of mugs.

    /angry mood
    As someone else mentioned it was never released in the Europe; it's now also going to be exposed to a brand new market on the DS. Did you think the FF remakes on GBA were overpriced?

    ilmaestro wrote:
    My ire mainly stems from the fact that it's not a new game. It's like hearing "Fire Emblem DS" and then finding out that it's another remake of the first game. I just don't have the time or inclination to get too excited about minimal makeover remakes (and, to be fair, Fire Emblem may be more than that, I haven't bothered reading about since I found out that it was a remake).
    Hmm...does this mean you've actually played the original NES game in Japanese? As I understand it, at the very least, there is a graphical and battle system upgrade.

    GrandpaUlrira wrote:/Is still bitter about not being able to find FF6 on GBA.
    I was planning on buying it but they announced the remake of IV on DS following the success of III so I'm hoping they continue up to VI. I've never really played the FF games and I've heard that that is the best? Certainly the storyline sounds very interesting.

    Thunderhead wrote:
    Jin, the trailer I saw suggests otherwise. I hope you are correct though, Chrono Trigger deserves a top conversion.
    How could you tell that there is no new dungeon from a trailer?
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