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Countdown to Unemployment thread • Page 5
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Ged42 7,985 posts
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There is alot of stigma attached to signing on and claiming benefits in general. The government has to find a fine balance beetween making it acceptable and making it "too acceptable". If it becomes the norm for people to sign on then we end up undermining the value of work, if you make it so that people who claim benefits become "untouchable" then you condemn them to long term unemployment, depression and possibly suicide.
It is a hard balancing act.
I am in no way condoning the crappy payments received on the dole and the stupid rules that mean they think you can survive on £7ph salaries, but it is a hard task planning social benefits. Doesn't excuse the retardedness of thefilthandthefury's situation.
It's situations such as his that actually undermine the efforts to prevent benefit fraud. -
Ginger 7,256 posts
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Registered 19 years agotempting fate here. Expecting a big re-org and no-one knows which bits of the company are going to get shafted... -
MrSensible 26,517 posts
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Registered 16 years agoThis is the thing - they need to make a distinction between people who genuinely need help and a layabout scally who's never had a job. I know it can be hard to root out the people abusing it but they don't even try - they just tar you with the 'you're scum' brush straight away and assume that you're trying to scam them. -
StarchildHypocrethes 33,974 posts
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Registered 17 years agomcmonkeyplc wrote:
Aye, it's hard one to get right.
There is alot of stigma attached to signing on and claiming benefits in general. The government has to find a fine balance beetween making it acceptable and making it "too acceptable". If it becomes the norm for people to sign on then we end up undermining the value of work, if you make it so that people who claim benefits become "untouchable" then you condemn them to long term unemployment, depression and possibly suicide.
It is a hard balancing act.
I am in no way condoning the crappy payments received on the dole and the stupid rules that mean they think you can survive on £7ph salaries, but it is a hard task planning social benefits. Doesn't excuse the retardedness of thefilthandthefury's situation.
It's situations such as his that actually undermine the efforts to prevent benefit fraud.
From what I've been told by family, in Ireland at the moment they have a large benfit problem due to the fact that unemployment benefit comes in at around €220 per week. This has made it incredibly difficult to actually shift people off of benefits and motivate them to go out and seek employment. -
thefilthandthefury wrote:
This is the thing - they need to make a distinction between people who genuinely need help and a layabout scally who's never had a job. I know it can be hard to root out the people abusing it but they don't even try - they just tar you with the 'you're scum' brush straight away and assume that you're trying to scam them.
They shouldn't do that, they are trained to do exactly the opposite. -
StarchildHypocrethes 33,974 posts
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Registered 17 years agothefilthandthefury wrote:
I don't know if I just had an extremely unique trip when I went or not, but my experience was generally very good and at no point did I feel I was being treated like 'scum'. Yes, there are a number of hurdles you have to get over regarding paperwork and background checks etc, but they are there for a reason.
This is the thing - they need to make a distinction between people who genuinely need help and a layabout scally who's never had a job. I know it can be hard to root out the people abusing it but they don't even try - they just tar you with the 'you're scum' brush straight away and assume that you're trying to scam them. -
MrSensible 26,517 posts
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Registered 16 years agomcmonkeyplc wrote:
thefilthandthefury wrote:
This is the thing - they need to make a distinction between people who genuinely need help and a layabout scally who's never had a job. I know it can be hard to root out the people abusing it but they don't even try - they just tar you with the 'you're scum' brush straight away and assume that you're trying to scam them.
They shouldn't do that, they are trained to do exactly the opposite.
Well that's wrong, imo. If someone goes out of their way to live off benefits and avoid work they should be punished. They shouldn't punish everyone from the start and assume you're an arsehole. -
MoFo 282 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI think you should only get housing benefit if you're employed. If you've made the effort to get off your arse and get a job, then you deserve housing benefit. IF you're a lay-about bum then it's your own feckin' fault if you end up out on the streets. Reward the people who make the effort, not those that can't be arsed. -
StarchildHypocrethes 33,974 posts
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Registered 17 years agoYes, well done. -
MrSensible 26,517 posts
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Registered 16 years agoStarchildHypocrethes wrote:
thefilthandthefury wrote:
I don't know if I just had an extremely unique trip when I went or not, but my experience was generally very good and at no point did I feel I was being treated like 'scum'. Yes, there are a number of hurdles you have to get over regarding paperwork and background checks etc, but they are there for a reason.
This is the thing - they need to make a distinction between people who genuinely need help and a layabout scally who's never had a job. I know it can be hard to root out the people abusing it but they don't even try - they just tar you with the 'you're scum' brush straight away and assume that you're trying to scam them.
Well I've never had to deal with them myself but my girlfriend has nothing but bad things to say about the centre she has to go to. Completely useless and unhelpful.
Of course, we could live with that if they'd actually help us out while she's looking for work (she worked at Zavvi - you know the rest). Instead they say I have to provide for the two of us on £7 an hour - paying the rent, bills, etc. Not quite sure how I'm supposed to do that, considering I can barely afford my own half of the rent anyway, on top of everything else. Then of course there's the fact I'm losing my job next month so I'll have even less.
We r fooked.
They were even worse with some friends of mine. A couple, similar situation as us. My friend Kit works at a school, in the IT department. Doesn't make very much. His girlfriend lost her job and needed help but they not only wouldn't give her housing but stopped all of her benefits, saying he had to pay for everything from now on o_O
This is what you get for being honest. My advice? Lie through your teeth. -
StarchildHypocrethes 33,974 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThat's a pretty damned shitty situation mate, hope it all works out 
Can she not try and claim that you've split up and you've moved out or something? -
MrSensible 26,517 posts
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Registered 16 years agoThat's what we're doing at her next meeting with them 
EDIT: Well, similar anyway. They haven't actually kept any of this info about us - they don't know about our situation as such. She got all this from the advisor fella (don't know what they're called!).
We're just going to say we're flat mates and have no connection other than that and ask a different person -
StarchildHypocrethes 33,974 posts
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Blatant lying and cheating ftw!.gif)
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nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMoFo wrote:
I think you should only get housing benefit if you're employed. If you've made the effort to get off your arse and get a job, then you deserve housing benefit. IF you're a lay-about bum then it's your own feckin' fault if you end up out on the streets. Reward the people who make the effort, not those that can't be arsed.
Translation: I still live with my parents -
MrSensible 26,517 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMaybe the cheats for life are the same as in GTA. What was the money and all weapons cheat again? -
MrSensible 26,517 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMoFo wrote:
I think you should only get housing benefit if you're employed. If you've made the effort to get off your arse and get a job, then you deserve housing benefit. IF you're a lay-about bum then it's your own feckin' fault if you end up out on the streets. Reward the people who make the effort, not those that can't be arsed.
Yes, because people without jobs all = lay-about bums
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thefilthandthefury wrote:
That's what we're doing at her next meeting with them
EDIT: Well, similar anyway. They haven't actually kept any of this info about us - they don't know about our situation as such. She got all this from the advisor fella (don't know what they're called!).
We're just going to say we're flat mates and have no connection other than that and ask a different person
FRAUD ACTIONS! -
MrSensible 26,517 posts
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I think I will become unemployed in 2 weeks or so, pretty sure at least I would say 85%.. I really want to give self employment a go I know if i can get started it will work but have no idea how I would beable to get started, I was offered a course and intrest free loan through the Job Centre before I started work but they also refused to give me any housing benifit so expected me to pay my rent and bills on £65 a week while doing the course, which was impossiable so I couldn't do it.
If I loose my Job in 2 weeks again I won't beable to claim housing benifits (beacuse the people I rent from don't declare it so wouldn't want to be on any forms) so will be expected to pay my £83 a week rent + all bills and food on £65 a week JSA.. The little savings I have will cover me for about 1 or 2 months if im lucky and after that Im pretty much out on the streets! -
angeltreats 2,601 posts
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Registered 15 years agoWhat happens if you've got a mortgage and you lose your job? Will you get housing benefit to cover the mortgage? -
Red-Moose 5,344 posts
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Registered 19 years agoangeltreats wrote:
What happens if you've got a mortgage and you lose your job? Will you get housing benefit to cover the mortgage?
They will pay the mortgage interest here in that situation, but not the mortgage. I assume it's the same as the UK seeing as we (Ireland) copy just about everything from you guys. -
angeltreats 2,601 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI heard a horrible thing today. My workmate's sister works in a large London law firm as a secretary. She found out today that 35 secretaries in their department are being made redundant. But that's not the horrible thing.
Everyone has to nominate two colleagues who they think should be made redundant, giving their reasons why.
I think if it was me being forced to do that, I'd walk out before I'd contribute to any of my colleagues losing their jobs - recession or no recession. -
lucasmax 363 posts
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Registered 15 years agoangeltreats wrote:
I heard a horrible thing today. My workmate's sister works in a large London law firm as a secretary. She found out today that 35 secretaries in their department are being made redundant. But that's not the horrible thing.
Everyone has to nominate two colleagues who they think should be made redundant, giving their reasons why.
I think if it was me being forced to do that, I'd walk out before I'd contribute to any of my colleagues losing their jobs - recession or no recession.
The may aswel make a fucking reality show out of it >
What a shitty thing to do. -
Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agoWow... some evil bastard runs that company.
/applies
/takes over evil empire from within -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agojustanotherdave wrote:
If I loose my Job in 2 weeks again I won't beable to claim housing benifits (beacuse the people I rent from don't declare it so wouldn't want to be on any forms)
If they don't want to be on any forms then I would stop paying them rent while unemployed. It's not like they are going to be in a hurry to throw you out because of it; be pretty hard to explain to the tax man why they had to have the police round to evict a non-existent tenant. -
Lepperman 251 posts
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Registered 14 years agoWhat a cowardly way for management to do it. Well out of order. -
DFective 2,013 posts
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Registered 15 years agoYou want to quit my job because if I don't leave soon, I'll just be walking out during the day out boredom. Come awfully close far too much already.
Sounds whiney but it's true. -
angeltreats wrote:
I heard a horrible thing today. My workmate's sister works in a large London law firm as a secretary. She found out today that 35 secretaries in their department are being made redundant. But that's not the horrible thing.
Everyone has to nominate two colleagues who they think should be made redundant, giving their reasons why.
I think if it was me being forced to do that, I'd walk out before I'd contribute to any of my colleagues losing their jobs - recession or no recession.
You are that there's no misinterpretation there? That would (it seems to me) constitute unfair dismissal, and the company would have to be pretty thick to test the law in that way.
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