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  • Steve-Perry 28 Feb 2020 16:30:21 1,121 posts
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    Amen
  • Steve-Perry 28 Feb 2020 20:31:23 1,121 posts
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    This week's was pretty good. References galore and I liked the exploration of Picard as a former Borg. Much better than the token casino world episode every sci fi show has to have.

    A few nice nods to First Contact and Best of Both World's.
  • jrmat 29 Feb 2020 07:30:45 197 posts
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    Huge Deus ex machina at the end made my groan. Better episode, although the two previous were poor, so not saying a huge amount.
  • Steve-Perry 29 Feb 2020 09:42:16 1,121 posts
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    I think that 40,000 light year machine is from an episode of Voyager.

    It didn't really bother me. It's only like being transported out at the last minute which they normally do in all trek shows. Didn't make sense why Hugh and that ninja lad just stood there though.

    The writing is a bit sloppy, but a lot tighter than DSC so far.

    Edited by Steve-Perry at 09:42:40 29-02-2020
  • jrmat 29 Feb 2020 10:48:14 197 posts
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    "We're stuck in an impossible situation with no way out."
    "By a happy coincidence here's a handy device just through here which will transport you wherever you want to go in the galaxy."
    "That is a happy coincidence."
    "It is!"

    "I'll stay behind and sacrifice myself for no reason."
    "Why don't you just come with us?"
    "No, it's my duty to make sure you're safe."
    "So come with us?"
    "No I must stay behind, despite the fact that transporter works instantaneously."
    "I can't argue with your impenetrable logic."

    I mean, how did the writer's come up with this stuff?
  • BinaryBob101 29 Feb 2020 10:49:22 27,747 posts
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    Yeah, better than DSC, but still absolutely mediocre.

    This went up yesterday. Mike has points and he's funny:

  • Zerobob 29 Feb 2020 11:55:15 2,419 posts
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    The Red Letter Media videos are the only reason I'm still watching this series.

    Plotwise, it really is an illogical mess so far, and the story is so weak and uninteresting it's criminal. The only fascinating thing about it is how out of character Picard and Seven of Nine act.

    I've lost track of how many times male characters have been put down by female characters, whether it's the captain being told he can't light his cigar, or Picard being made to feel guilty for yet another thing. In fact, I don't think there's a strong male character in the show. It's bizarre.

    I also don't understand why they seem too scared to make a Star Trek series with the correct tone, and they've gone with this dystopian version of the future instead, with torture and executions. This isn't Star Trek and this isn't Picard.
  • Darth_Flibble 29 Feb 2020 12:37:30 4,194 posts
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    Zerobob wrote:
    The Red Letter Media videos are the only reason I'm still watching this series.

    Plotwise, it really is an illogical mess so far, and the story is so weak and uninteresting it's criminal. The only fascinating thing about it is how out of character Picard and Seven of Nine act.

    I also don't understand why they seem too scared to make a Star Trek series with the correct tone, and they've gone with this dystopian version of the future instead, with torture and executions. This isn't Star Trek and this isn't Picard.
    It was poor writing when all the romulans are having a go at picard for not sending the fleet. The writers seem to have forgotten that the romulans had loads of advanced ships that match the federation. Its just the writers changing everything to match what they want the show to be. romulan space now seems to be the size of the isle of wight

    I've lost track of how many times male characters have been put down by female characters, whether it's the captain being told he can't light his cigar, or Picard being made to feel guilty for yet another thing. In fact, I don't think there's a strong male character in the show. It's bizarre.
    Picard will probably end up getting pegged by the sheer FUCKING HUBRIS admiral by the end of season (something something rear admiral)
  • BinaryBob101 29 Feb 2020 12:46:06 27,747 posts
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    @Zerobob Yeah, like them I like the pictures.

    Even the Borg Cube seems totally different and I guess it's evolved, but I've totally missed that shit along the way if so. Is that just me?

    Don't recall if RLM mentioned that either.


    It's all so bloody odd, it's compulsive for sure. I've only missed one appointment viewing so far.

    This is just self-torture! :D
  • Nazo 29 Feb 2020 16:08:25 1,305 posts
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    Do the RLM guys ever like anything? I couldn't watch more than a few minutes of that video it was such bollocks.

    Yeah Picard didn't like kids at the beginning of TNG, but through the course of the series we saw countless examples of his character developing; from growing to respect Wesley (ok, a bit far-fetched that one), to singing Frere Jacques to help kids get through an emergency, to the Nexus showing us his perfect life was having doting kids of his own.

    If you're going to nerd-nitpick a series at least try to look like you know something about it.
  • Steve-Perry 29 Feb 2020 16:39:47 1,121 posts
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    @Nazo Mike references about 800 obscure things that even I don't remember. And I'm a full in loser trek fan. I even had the weekly magazine as a kid with starship diagrams and facts about trade agreements.

    It was fairly well established that Picard doesn't like kids. Even the new show references it. It's a fair point.
  • Darth_Flibble 29 Feb 2020 17:19:01 4,194 posts
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    RLM do decent film reviews (their humour at the start before they get into a review is painful) The cultists on the Picard subreddit really hate RLM now, its quite funny, Saying their "business model is hate clicks" which is amusing. mike and rich are big star trek fans before Abrams took over

    I wouldn't say picard likes children, iirc he become more tolerate of them but with Wesley it was not until he become bridge officer (and everyone still told him to shut up)
  • Duffking 29 Feb 2020 23:58:31 16,585 posts
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    They loved Beyond as well iirc.
  • frightlever 1 Mar 2020 06:17:33 1,477 posts
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    jrmat wrote:
    "We're stuck in an impossible situation with no way out."
    "By a happy coincidence here's a handy device just through here which will transport you wherever you want to go in the galaxy."
    "That is a happy coincidence."
    "It is!"

    "I'll stay behind and sacrifice myself for no reason."
    "Why don't you just come with us?"
    "No, it's my duty to make sure you're safe."
    "So come with us?"
    "No I must stay behind, despite the fact that transporter works instantaneously."
    "I can't argue with your impenetrable logic."

    I mean, how did the writer's come up with this stuff?
    They HAVE to split up so he can come back later and rescue Picard. Sorry, that's the story-telling response. I have NO logical response.

    I'm watching/re-watching TNG because of Picard (I honestly never watched much Trek beyond the original just being on BBC 1 when there were 3 channels, until DS9/Voyager. Voyager is my favourite Trek. I don't think that's a unique take, but it's probably a telling one. I am not invested in Trek lore, I was just watching a show for the show) and it's mostly been dire. The episodes I remember are the good ones or the awful ones and there are many that are so meh I skipped them after fifteen minutes. I'm in season 3. Star Trek is not a good show if you're a critical thinker.

    I'm not a Trekker, not remotely, but I've liked Picard so far. It feels SO much better than the ST I remember from my youth, decades ago. It's equally as idiotic as most TV but it's well done, and Chabon must be shovelling references and Easter eggs into the script to a point that most writers would poison his tea given the chance.

    The idea that a Borg Queen's chamber has a transporter capable of sending someone thousands of light years away isn't dumb, the idea that that chamber is on a random Borg cube and isn't already guarded kinda is.

    Ultimately Star Trek, and most, like 99.9%, of TV isn't about creating anything authentic or logical, it's just about stringing together a bunch of stuff to tell a story in 45 minutes per hour.
  • Phattso 1 Mar 2020 10:26:23 25,214 posts
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    Didnít the Aussie kid have to stay behind to fight offf the guards to allow the machine to shut down, otherwise the Romulans would (magically figure out how to operate and then) use the machine to follow them and catch them?

    I mean... itís non-sensical, but you guys are acting like there was zero reason for it.

    Itís (entertaining) shit. But not because of that particular example.

    Once Stewart canít dm it any more, Iím hoping we get a Riker series. :)
  • Steve-Perry 1 Mar 2020 10:29:06 1,121 posts
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    Duffking wrote:
    They loved Beyond as well iirc.
    It's the only post 09 bit of star trek media that tried to tell a trek story, so it's probably my favourite of the movies. The other two films and Discovery are just noise, flashing lights and references.

    Picard is much better.

    Edited by Steve-Perry at 10:34:55 01-03-2020
  • Steve-Perry 1 Mar 2020 10:34:31 1,121 posts
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    @frightlever TNG gets much more consistent from S3 onwards. I watched them all again last year, and there is some dross, but compared to say Disco, even those episodes look good.

    I don't agree with your point about 99% of TV just being airtime filler. That might have been true last century, but the bar has been raised massively.

    They could do so much better with the storytelling and writing if someone capable oversaw the shows. Kurtzman has a litany of failures on his CV. He's failed his way to top TV job.
  • TechnoHippy 1 Mar 2020 10:47:22 17,012 posts
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    The last episode was stronger and I enjoyed it, although why they couldn't all escape seemed odd, but looking forward to the next.
  • jrmat 1 Mar 2020 11:05:44 197 posts
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    My point is the reasons seemed ludicrously tacted on that were convenient only for the plot to advance and to shoehorn in emotion that seemed forced rather than developed or natural. As is the case with the entire show and discovery.
  • stephenb 1 Mar 2020 16:02:42 3,469 posts
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    I love Star Trek, this show has been fucking dross so far. The writers are complete hacks. They've decided to set a story in the Star Trek universe. But it certainly isn't Star Trek.

    Hot take I know.
  • jrmat 6 Mar 2020 15:51:40 197 posts
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    This week's episode was a mix of some good bits and some dross. The touching moments I actually found very touching, as pathetic as it sounds. Good to see the Rikers, yeah they've aged, haven't we all, was good to see them all on screen together. The action sequences and baddies were terrible as they have so far been.
  • Nazo 6 Mar 2020 17:36:14 1,305 posts
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    I was just happy they both survived to the end
  • RobAnybody 6 Mar 2020 17:38:34 2,121 posts
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    Are many people still watching the garbage that is Picard? I decided to maintain my sanity and gave up at episode 4.

    Edited by RobAnybody at 17:38:43 06-03-2020
  • jrmat 6 Mar 2020 18:11:05 197 posts
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    Can't argue with that. Although this week's was worth it to see the Rikers, it didn't seem like it was just fan service, even though it blatantly was.

    Gutted this series is turning out so terribly.
  • Steve-Perry 6 Mar 2020 18:57:43 1,121 posts
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    Nice last of the summer wine episode, pizza in a wood fire oven in the garden. Nice back and forth with some old friends at the dinner table.

    Annnnnd about 15 murders including one of the only decent characters to have been in the show thus far.

    Star Trek!
  • RGeefe 6 Mar 2020 19:21:12 847 posts
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    Not watched the latest episode but it's telling I'm not that bothered and am not even trying to avoid spoilers.

    Genuinely don't understand the love this show is getting. If it wasn't Patrick Stewart I'd have given up already. No interest in series 3 of Discovery. I think I'll see out this run and then wait and see if the backroom staff change.
  • Darth_Flibble 6 Mar 2020 20:05:11 4,194 posts
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    Season 3 of STD (aka discovery) seems to be a rip off of the Andromeda tv show which was unused idea by Gene roddenberry. You just know it will be all thanks to burnham that rebuilds the federation
  • Steve-Perry 6 Mar 2020 20:21:35 1,121 posts
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    More shitting on the federation then.

    Star Trek!
  • RGeefe 6 Mar 2020 20:28:54 847 posts
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    On a slight tangent - I just tried reading some "news" sites about the Discovery release date, etc and the writing was like if bots strung buzzwords together through rudimentary sentence structures.

    That and the current "news" is that series 3 is either a complete fucking mess that is going to get cancelled or it's great and going to be renewed for another two years.
  • Steve-Perry 6 Mar 2020 20:30:19 1,121 posts
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    I think a lot of those sites have been money hatted by CBS
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