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  • Nazo 27 Mar 2020 11:31:02 1,305 posts
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    Darren wrote:
    To be honest, at one point, I was half-expecting Q to turn up near the end.
    They've gotta hold something back for S2.

    As much as I love him, I thought Stewart was poor in this, he wasn't anything like Picard, even the doddery old Picard from All Good Things. That said, Picard wouldn't really have fit into the plot, which is a bit ironic considering the show's title.

    I think Spiner and Frakes are the only ones that come out with any credibility and I suspect Frakes was just playing himself anyway.
  • jrmat 27 Mar 2020 11:53:45 197 posts
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    Darren wrote:
    I think Spiner and Frakes are the only ones that come out with any credibility and I suspect Frakes was just playing himself anyway.
    There was an interview with Sooner and he said that throughout the series Riker became more and more like Frakes, which he was happy about as he felt that Frakes was fantastic. But yeah, just being himself, fair enough.
  • Darth_Flibble 27 Mar 2020 16:15:58 4,193 posts
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    the picard sub-reddit is amusing as its "safe space" for the fanatics, anything negative is down voted and attacked by the psychos.

    I imagine the sell for Stewart went like this

    Exec: we have a script that rips off some game by a bunch of hack writers
    Stewart: Nah, its fine, Picard had his story
    Exec: what about this pile of cash?
    Stewart: Make it so!
  • RyanDS 27 Mar 2020 16:37:33 13,191 posts
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    I liked it. Fuck you all.

    Apart from the really really really telegraphed "twist" at the end.
  • Garfy 27 Mar 2020 17:57:00 1,445 posts
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    Seriously, if you couldn't see that coming from a million light years away... 😂
  • Zyrr 27 Mar 2020 19:16:51 445 posts
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    That last episode was probably the most shoddy piece of television I've seen for quite some time. I mean, I expected it to be bad, but not so bad that I physically aged 20 years from all the cringing.
  • JoelStinty 27 Mar 2020 20:03:37 8,798 posts
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    Darth_Flibble wrote:
    the picard sub-reddit is amusing as its "safe space" for the afanatics anything negative is down voted and attacked by the psychos. -

    I imagine the sell for Stewart went like this

    /roll eyes

    Edited by JoelStinty at 20:03:53 27-03-2020
  • Steve-Perry 27 Mar 2020 20:24:32 1,121 posts
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    This is absolutely spot on and sums up almost entirely how I feel about the state of this franchise. Says more eloquently what I have been trying to say in here, particularly about all the grimdark crap.

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/mar/27/star-trek-picard-is-the-dark-reboot-that-boldly-goes-where-nobody-wanted-it-to
  • creepiest-lizard 27 Mar 2020 20:33:24 1,169 posts
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    Although the grim,, depressing "dramatic" shite is part of the problem with this and Discovery it would all be slightly more bearable if the writing were any good and the writer/directors/everyone knew how to tell a story. Picard, storywise, is just a incoherent illogical mess that makes no sense with even the most basic scrutiny.
    Its not even enjoyable if you forget its Star trek and just some random sci fi action show as it fails on that level as well.
    Christ, even the Lost in space reboot pisses all over Star Trek nowadays.
  • arty 27 Mar 2020 20:47:00 709 posts
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    I'm on ep 7 and omg I'm loving this series. Christ, Stewart is a great actor.
  • HisDudness 27 Mar 2020 22:15:37 1,718 posts
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    Wow. I didn't think the casino planet episode would end up being one of the best episodes.

    What were they thinking with these new characters? How could they all be so terribly uninteresting?

    Along with Mandalorian, this all just seemed so lazy and willing to lean on its branding. No one would watch this without the TNG heritage.
  • jrmat 27 Mar 2020 22:33:06 197 posts
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    Steve-Perry wrote:
    This is absolutely spot on and sums up almost entirely how I feel about the state of this franchise. Says more eloquently what I have been trying to say in here, particularly about all the grimdark crap.

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/mar/27/star-trek-picard-is-the-dark-reboot-that-boldly-goes-where-nobody-wanted-it-to
    Yes, totally right.
  • theone1 27 Mar 2020 22:33:10 102 posts
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    Stewart has been awful in this
  • Steve-Perry 27 Mar 2020 22:36:33 1,121 posts
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    New characters then:

    Raffi - son plot went nowhere, conspiracy plot went nowhere despite her being correct. Clichéd backstory and clichéd tortured alcoholic. Pretty dull.

    Agnes - cold blooded comic relief murderer and also bumbling meta referencing character. "Make it so Picard!" "How did you know that I used to say tha..." "Who cares!" *Winks at audience* Similar to that Titty twat in the other show.

    Legolass - ninja guy who swore to protect Picard with his life then spent the rest of the season apart from him doing pointless odd jobs for guest stars. Had no bearing on anything at all of relevance.

    Soji - Her story was fleshed out well enough. I don't think the actress is great, but they didn't really give her anything to work with. That romance subplot was awful. Zero metion of her sister in the final episode. Guess her and Picard got over her pretty quick. Who was her mother too who video called them both all the time?

    Rios - decent. Episode about his former captain was ok. Has the best lines, the holograms are one of the only decent ideas to come out of this show. Romance plot with murder lady makes fuck all sense.

    Picards Romulan butlers - they were interesting. Airlocked as the season went on, like the quality of writing.

    Narek - mostly crap, but there was a bit of Gaius Baltar in him courting a prisoner that I liked. His plot never went anywhere either. See BSG on how to write characters effectively.

    Narek sister - awful, cartoon twirly mustache villain.

    The ship - In a ST show the ship is usually a character in its own right. I couldn't even tell you the name of the ship in this. Is it the Serenity? May as well be.

    Edited by Steve-Perry at 22:52:34 27-03-2020
  • Gruff 27 Mar 2020 22:47:20 3,584 posts
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    "Is it the Serenity? May as well be."

    Blasphemer, how dare you sully FireFly with this insinuation. The lack of character building and ropey plots in Picard only burnishes the reputation of the mighty Whedon. :)

    Never the twain shall meet
  • Steve-Perry 27 Mar 2020 22:49:12 1,121 posts
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    Sincere apologies! Just when they warped at the end and there was a shot of all the cast, it was clear they were going for that vibe.
  • Gruff 27 Mar 2020 22:52:17 3,584 posts
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    Apology accepted, yeah I thought that as well. Something tells me I won't be joining them on their rollocking adventures
  • Nazo 27 Mar 2020 23:18:48 1,305 posts
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    Wasn’t Agnes going to turn herself in? Or is ‘I promise not to murder anyone else’ good enough as rehabilitation?
  • Saul_Iscariot 27 Mar 2020 23:23:18 3,673 posts
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    I wonder if the intergalactic AI’s have anything to do with V’ger from the motion picture. I recall speculation that it could have been something to do with the Borg back in the day. But I don’t think that ever planned out.
  • RGeefe 28 Mar 2020 01:13:22 847 posts
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    Just watched it. Admittedly, the ending wasn't nearly as bad as I'd hoped. But then I suppose I set my bar low. There was still some shooty shooty lasers but not as much as I thought. The following thoughts...

    The twist - Terminator already planned that a decade ago with T4 and did it in T5. Then they retconned it. CAUSE IT'S FUCKING STUPID AND MAKES DEATH MEANINGLESS. Seriously, they announced series 2 already. So why kill him if it means nothing? Also pretty sure Mass Effect 2 is actually clone Sheperd?

    Speaking of ME - just call the fucking ancient things that come through the red circle the fucking Reapers and have done with it. ME was inspired by Trek and the circle of life is complete. I think Picard went with the...synthesis ending? The green one?

    I'm at the point where I can't tell if the actors are bad or the writing is making them that way. My gf says the actors are bad and she knows this stuff. Romulans and Sodje took lessons from Tommy Wiseau. Who directed them?

    Raffi is now lesbian with Seven? Fuck right off. Nope. And Rios is with Agnes, you know, who admitted murdering a man. She's gonna still go to Starbase 12 and be tried for her crime, right? Right?

    I must admit to liking Picard's minute speech about fear being a terrible teacher. Then his interaction with Data was quite nice, if it was done in another context. And also if Picard didn't say he loved him. I'm ok with Data's death. It, weirdly, makes sense for the character. The way they did it - bit shit and he's already died anyway but, out of context, it would have worked well in TNG.


    I think that a lot of blame can be put at Alex Kurtzman for this but, ultimately, CBS just want to crank in some money and Star Trek is a prestige show in their locker. Unfortunately, the show isn't so laughably terrible that it gets cancelled. It just seems to be ticking along due to previous successes and the return of fans. Why did I watch it? Because TNG was a big part of my childhood and Sir Patrick Stewart got drunk with some students I knew after graduation.

    But I have no interest in a second series of this, the same way I have no interest in Discovery 3. You killed the golden goose, guys.
  • DasBooter 28 Mar 2020 07:04:31 479 posts
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    @RGeefe

    Yep, I agree however I quite like the male Romulan, he was always a conflicted character. Wouldn't mind seeing him return, like a Garek (but with 5% of the charisma)

    That bit with Seven and Raffi at the end was pure tokenism. Just like at the end of Rise of Skywalker. Ticking a box to appear all inclusive.

    Edited by DasBooter at 07:04:45 28-03-2020
  • Darth_Flibble 28 Mar 2020 07:19:58 4,193 posts
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    Saul_Iscariot wrote:
    I wonder if the intergalactic AI’s have anything to do with V’ger from the motion picture. I recall speculation that it could have been something to do with the Borg back in the day. But I don’t think that ever planned out.
    I think they will tie into STD's Control story. I suppose they could add in V’ger too.
  • nickthegun 29 Mar 2020 22:38:44 81,347 posts
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    It’s really odd. It felt that, considering the whole point of the series appears to have been to get the band together, this entire story could have been done in two episodes and all the character stuff could have happened in lower stakes, Star Treky episodes.
  • Steve-Perry 29 Mar 2020 22:55:28 1,121 posts
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    They should have killed Picard off once and for all in the last episode, had Rios rejoin Starfleet after being inspired by the great captains sacrifice, he gets sympathy and special treatment from Armiral Profanity and they give him a new ship, they name it Picard. He takes all the other cast as crew.

    You'd have the ship named after him, data's daughter on the crew, lots of ties to TNG era but can be it's own thing.
  • Nazo 30 Mar 2020 07:53:52 1,305 posts
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    Why was Soji on the Borg cube, supposedly she was looking for something, was that ever explained?
  • nickthegun 30 Mar 2020 08:19:50 81,347 posts
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    And why was Daj on earth? Why the fake identity? Why the mind wipe? Why the virtual mother? How did the romulans know? Why did they keep going on about activation like it was a thing they had seen dozens of times before when the twins seemed to be the first ones? Why not put data’s reconstructed mind in a body rather than leave him in pergatory? Why would star fleet just give riker the best ship in the fleet? Presumably those badges all mean something, are they like federation deputies now?

    These are all questions we asked through the series.
  • Load_2.0 30 Mar 2020 08:52:32 31,381 posts
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    I defended this the whole series and make no mistake I really did enjoy it. However I had hoped for a redeeming finale and instead got ominous mecha-tentacles.

    But Nick's questions above are a big issue for me. None of the fake mother stuff made any sense. It really feels like different writers each episode.

    And I hated the Rubicun III style planet. So these 30 odd androids are the the entire population? They look barely able to organize a BBQ let alone realign planetary orbits and make magical ships fixing wands!

    Finally the Zhat Vash who have spent lifetimes looking to stop the apocolypse are satisfied because they stopped the portal at the last minute?

    OK laters, dont build another one OK?

    Bah.
  • nickthegun 30 Mar 2020 09:03:41 81,347 posts
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    It set it up like there WAS an insidious synth plot to infiltrate the federation with synthetic sleeper agents but then it turned out there were just a dozen of them living like dumbasses in a hippy commune.
  • AcidSnake 30 Mar 2020 09:13:19 8,294 posts
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    Load_2.0 wrote:
    Finally the Zhat Vash who have spent lifetimes looking to stop the apocolypse are satisfied because they stopped the portal at the last minute?

    OK laters, dont build another one OK?

    Bah.
    Of course not, that would be silly. They stopped their eons old blood feud because otherwise the new ambassador would get cross presumably...

    Questions abound indeed.
    Why did the whole Federation armada just warp away and take the Romulans' word for it they'd leave? What if they came back 5 minutes later?
    Maybe just leave a few behind until you have a shield in place or something?

    Why did Seven just abandon the cube? Is it a good idea to just leave that there with the androids who on a whim started murdering each other and almost murdered all life in the universe?

    If they were able to track Agnes even through warp why didn't they shoot that ship out of the sky with a few of those 200+ warbirds they have instead of hoping Agnes would take care of the problem for them?

    What was so important about that Romulan ship/crazy lady that got assimilated and which made the Borg sever the cube from the collective?

    Naturally the answer to all these question is Kurtzmann...
  • RGeefe 30 Mar 2020 09:19:12 847 posts
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    I can see why they didn't just dump the episodes in one go. I know it was to keep peoppe signed up to their CBS thing but imagine if people were able to just knock a few episodes off back to back or do it in a weekend. The cracks would show a hell of a lot more. Especially with the tonal shift all over the place.
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