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  • quadfather 14 Feb 2018 18:22:28 31,036 posts
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    I'm saying nowt :)
  • Psychotext 14 Feb 2018 18:39:18 62,995 posts
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    mrpon wrote:
    Hasn't your budget gone Psycho? ;)
    Not sure I follow?
  • Armoured_Bear 14 Feb 2018 19:20:38 22,175 posts
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    @Psychotext

    https://www.superfi.co.uk/p-19945-denon-avr-x1400h-72-channel-av-surround-receiver.aspx
  • quadfather 14 Feb 2018 19:32:06 31,036 posts
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    It's got atmos too \o/

    /Hides
  • Psychotext 14 Feb 2018 19:53:55 62,995 posts
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    They any good?
  • quadfather 14 Feb 2018 20:01:25 31,036 posts
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    I dont know denon but looks like it - http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/denon-avr-x1400h
  • mrpon 14 Feb 2018 20:04:19 34,358 posts
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    Psychotext wrote:
    mrpon wrote:
    Hasn't your budget gone Psycho? ;)
    Not sure I follow?
    Solicitor fees!
  • phAge 14 Feb 2018 20:05:14 25,487 posts
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    Oh, and any money you spend on accoustically treating your room will have a much bigger - relative - impact on your sound quality than any extra money towards gear you put in there.
  • Psychotext 14 Feb 2018 20:09:34 62,995 posts
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    mrpon wrote:
    Solicitor fees!
    Nah, different pot of cash entirely. Can't be letting that mess with my setup for the new place.

    (Wankers that they are)
  • DukeSilver 14 Feb 2018 20:12:02 3,208 posts
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    phAge wrote:
    Oh, and any money you spend on accoustically treating your room will have a much bigger - relative - impact on your sound quality than any extra money towards gear you put in there.
    Probably not plugged it in properly.
  • gamingdave 14 Feb 2018 20:19:37 4,723 posts
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    quadfather wrote:
    Whilst I'd love that 7.x.x setup, I think it does also matter what the room is like too. I know you'd get more from that setup than 5.1.2, but my room appears to be perfect for 5.1.2. I absolutely love listening to films on it now and the 2 ceiling speakers really make a very noticeable difference. it'd be a waste of money if I upgraded it anymore purely because of the room.

    Hm, so I guess what I'm saying (to myself) is that I need a bigger room ;)
    Yup, the room always has to be considered, but then you if you buy good kit, you might find you end up with it a new room. As said, my speakers are nearly 20 years old, with only the sub having been upgraded in that time. I did get a new amp a while back when I wanted HDMI switching and Losless audio, but my Yamaha DSP-A2 is still fully functional and has an increadible amp section.

    In my lounge 5.1.2 would be perfect (no room for sides and rears), but as I am moving the cineam to a dedicated room in the loft, I can take advantage of more.

    Technoishmatt wrote:
    Ok, so another 5 min “spent” researching.

    If I wanted to do it now, I should get a Denon 4300 (available for $900 herr in USA), which has 9 channels, but 11 processors, and use a separate 2 channel amplifier, which seems like a reasonable cost premium to get to 11 channels.

    The 4300 is last year’s model, the 4400 is at $1600.

    Going this route also means I could upgrade at later date and do 5.1.4 in mean time, or 7.1.2, especially as I already have 9 identical speakers.

    Anyway, something to look forward to next year :p
    That line of Denons got really good reviews too, and IIRC they have been updated for DTS:X and HDR HLG. There is one a step up which has all 11 channels amped, but as you say an external 2 channel amp can be used.

    Even if the amp drove all 11 channels in a 7.x.4 setup, you would still benefit from offloading the front 3 to an external amp to lessen the load on the overall unit.

    Psychotext wrote:
    As has been said here, in a couple of years, receivers that can do everything that's top end today will cost fuck all. If I want it then, I can buy it then. You're talking to someone that only has TV speakers.
    Feature wise for new formats, thats true, but with amplification, higher end kit does provide more controled power. Tech filters down, but not everything. Higher end kit will have better DACs, better signal paths, and as mentioned, better amps capable of driving more power.

    Of course saying that, we are at the stage where even cheap DACs offer great sound, and its definately a law of diminishing returns.
  • gamingdave 14 Feb 2018 20:23:38 4,723 posts
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    phAge wrote:
    Oh, and any money you spend on accoustically treating your room will have a much bigger - relative - impact on your sound quality than any extra money towards gear you put in there.
    Depends what the gear is your upgrading from, but yes, setting up the speakers in the room correctly and then making sure the room isn't working against you is important.

    As said before, taking the room into account, and where you can place speakers is the start point. But buying well in the first place can save costs upgrading later.

    Personally, I always try and buy last years flagship or 2nd from the top of the line. Normally when the new recievers come out, the previous years are available half price whilst stocks clear. My last reciever was £700 when the new model was £1400, all it had different was an extra HDMI in and out which I didn't need.
  • quadfather 14 Feb 2018 20:32:16 31,036 posts
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    I'm currently renting my house and looking to buy one again, and because films and sound are such a big thing for me, it's a big factor.

    I would *love* to have my own house again and absolutely transform a room

    /Drools
  • phAge 14 Feb 2018 20:47:58 25,487 posts
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    /currently building two dual 12" subs to go as nearfields in addition to two XTZ 12.17s up front :)
  • quadfather 14 Feb 2018 20:53:48 31,036 posts
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    Got all the wires sorted yeah?
  • phAge 14 Feb 2018 20:55:23 25,487 posts
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    Not yet, but the rest of my theatre is working splendidly, so I'll manage, I'm sure. :)
  • quadfather 14 Feb 2018 21:42:16 31,036 posts
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    :D
  • Psychotext 15 Feb 2018 10:22:48 62,995 posts
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    Whilst I'm spending all my money. What's the go-to 4K TV these days? Primarily for movies, though I may game on it like... twice a year.

    I assume I probably want all the fanciness like Dolby Vision if I'm getting a blu-ray player that supports it.

    I think probably looking at about 50".
  • quadfather 15 Feb 2018 10:28:10 31,036 posts
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    Budget? And do you want LED or OLED?
  • Blackmarsh63 15 Feb 2018 10:34:55 1,275 posts
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    @Psychotext Dolby Vision is to limited to LG and high end Sony OLEDs. Panasonic and Samsung don't support it all. If your mainly going to be watching movies i'd go for OLED anyway.
  • Psychotext 15 Feb 2018 11:03:11 62,995 posts
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    Hmm... I don't know. What does £2k get me?

    (I can go a little higher for something particularly special, but that seems like a good starting point)

    Edited by Psychotext at 11:05:36 15-02-2018
  • phAge 15 Feb 2018 11:09:40 25,487 posts
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    I'd start by figuring out where my priorities are - do I need the absolutely best picture I can get, or is smart TV functionality important as well?
  • quadfather 15 Feb 2018 11:09:43 31,036 posts
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    £2k should be able to get you a really good OLED I'd have thought.

    I'll wait to see what OLED owners post
  • Blackmarsh63 15 Feb 2018 11:11:16 1,275 posts
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    @Psychotext https://www.whathifi.com/lg/oled55b7v/review

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/LG-OLED55B7V-Premium-Ultra-Smart/dp/B06XVMNVD5

    I'd be tempted myself but I use TV mainly for games and OLED is not ideal.

    Edited by Blackmarsh63 at 11:12:19 15-02-2018
  • Blakester 15 Feb 2018 11:11:31 4,410 posts
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    I recently auditioned the 55" Sony A1 and LG B7.

    The Sony probably edges it in terms of motion control and definitely has better sound (if you're not going to connect to a separate system), but it costs over a grand more and still doesn't support Dolby Vision.

    I bought the B7 and haven't regretted the decision. The UI is sublime, all the HDMI ports are HDR enabled and it works brilliantly for gaming. Picture is exceptional with HD and 4K material although needs a little tweaking out of the box.

    With all modern TV's, it's something of a lottery in terms of quality of screen you'll get, but if you go in expecting a small degree of banding and/or tinting you'll be fine.
  • Psychotext 15 Feb 2018 11:17:43 62,995 posts
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    I'm actually not in much of a rush on it, so I could wait to see what new TVs are coming.
  • Blackmarsh63 15 Feb 2018 11:19:13 1,275 posts
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    @Psychotext Could be some bargains on 2017 models.
  • Blakester 15 Feb 2018 11:22:15 4,410 posts
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    I'm pretty sure at the top end of the market, most of the 2018 sets are aesthetic upgrades rather than new, improved technology.

    That makes some of the 2017 sets absolute bargains. I managed to get the B7 for under £1,400 when a year ago it was £3,000.
  • Blackmarsh63 15 Feb 2018 11:28:22 1,275 posts
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    @Blakester Totally agree. 2017 Samsung models were basically 2016 models with the QLED sticker on.

    Edited by Blackmarsh63 at 11:28:53 15-02-2018
  • gamingdave 15 Feb 2018 11:39:06 4,723 posts
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    I also wouldn't pay over the odds for better integrated smart features. My Sony in the living room is a few years old now, and whilst it has Netflix, iPlayer etc, its sluggish. But media players are plentiful and cheap, and easily replaceable when a new one comes along with better features, or simply faster response in menus.

    Sure, it's nice to only use one remote (though I have a Harmony for that) but when buying a display, spend the money on the one that has the best picture. Sound is only important if your not using a soundbar or speakers, but these days it seems only the very top end have decent speakers. Thin TV's with no bezels doesn't leave much room for speakers!
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