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  • SolidSCB 2 May 2021 18:01:53 15,772 posts
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    Raikkonen could have had his wreck towed back to the garage, fixed and still probably finished in front of the prick. He's wank.
  • Jono62 2 May 2021 19:15:38 26,872 posts
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    I blame the team and his father more than him. Is it worth all that money when they could have got a competent driver in.
  • Graxlar_v3 3 May 2021 07:31:30 10,962 posts
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    Jono62 wrote:
    I blame the team and his father more than him. Is it worth all that money when they could have got a competent driver in.
    Drive to survive left me with the impression that Gene Haas decided to pull any funding because they see not winning and they didnít have a title sponsor. So I am assuming that without papa Mazepinís money Haas wouldnít have made it to the grid. Now I donít like him and I donít think he should be on the grid at all! But it is him or no Haas.

    If I was Schumacher I would be pissed though as there is no way to judge his performances because he could be shit and Mazepin is just shitter or he could actually be putting in performances and Mazepin is shit. Though on the basis of his attempted overtakes of Latifi, I think Shuie has some extra work to do.
  • JoelStinty 3 May 2021 08:07:40 9,424 posts
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    Mazespin was actually half decent in F2. He was pretty competitive picking up a couple of race wins. He definitely not a minute behind your team mate pace. Well clearly he is but something has gone wrong somewhere.
  • SolidSCB 3 May 2021 09:30:38 15,772 posts
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    In the lower categories enough money gets you pretty much everything.

    In F1, money gets you a place at a shit team desperate for cash so they can live to see another day. Daddy can't buy out a Mercedes seat to make him look good now.
  • Dirt3 3 May 2021 11:09:45 1,625 posts
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    Mazepin is in a poor car, plus probably taking time to adjust. If he was halfway decent in F2, then he will get to a reasonable standard in F1 IF he has the work ethic.

    I doubt very much he would get the Super License if they didn't think he was qualified to be racing.

    As for the race. Bottas again seems to fold against Hamilton. Sure, you can argue it was a mech failure, but how about all the other times ? I think we are in for another medicore season from him backing up Hamilton. I have a gut feeling this will be his last season at Mercedes.

    Good to see Perez up there and closer to Verstappen. Love to see him pick up a win this season.

    Racing Point/Aston Martin seem well down this season. Will be interesting if Stroll outperforms Vettel.

    So the big question is who is going to end up third ?
  • brokenkey 3 May 2021 11:59:53 10,963 posts
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    Mazepin, to his credit, was ~1 minute behind the car in front for most of the race. Its not like he was going any further backwards.
  • Graxlar_v3 3 May 2021 15:32:04 10,962 posts
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    SolidSCB wrote:
    In the lower categories enough money gets you pretty much everything.

    In F1, money gets you a place at a shit team desperate for cash so they can live to see another day. Daddy can't buy out a Mercedes seat to make him look good now.
    Well outside of testing of course

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/26754900/russian-f2-driver-nikita-mazepin-fastest-first-test-mercedes%3fplatform=amp

    Edited by Graxlar_v3 at 15:33:31 03-05-2021
  • up_the_ante 3 May 2021 20:39:58 1,543 posts
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    Because Mazepin was running last they did an extra pit stop to let him try different tyres, and he got a time penalty for blocking Perez I think. So not really a minute behind his team mate.
  • muddyyfunster 4 May 2021 11:00:48 1,075 posts
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    JoelStinty wrote:
    Mazespin was actually half decent in F2. He was pretty competitive picking up a couple of race wins. He definitely not a minute behind your team mate pace. Well clearly he is but something has gone wrong somewhere.
    Agree with this. In F2 and below he wasn't with the best teams and generally held his own which is proof that he has a decent level of competence. He was no Mahaveer Ragunathan (look him up if you want to see a comprehensive demonstration of what happens when you buy a seat at that level without any talent).

    I watched most of Mazepin's F2 races as well as a good chunk of his F3 ones and based on that you'd say he mostly had mid-pack speed and on his best days could compete at the front on merit. That said, he absolutely did not deserve to be promoted to F1 based on racing record as there are so many better options.

    His flaws/crimes are well documented and I went into them here last year when he was announced. In brief, he thinks he's a hard man, which translates into being too aggressive, hot-headed, and rash, both on and off track. Most F2 followers (myself included) predicted he'd embarrass Haas with his antics and get involved in clumsy crashes.

    I have been surprised by the sheer number of unforced errors, but I expect that's a result of an unstable car and his overly aggressive driving style. I expected him to be closer on pace to Mick, but he's probably lost all confidence after all those spins and is now being overly cautious.

    With seat time and a more stable car, I think Nikita will match Mick as although Mick has more pedigree he has never appeared hugely fast, despite his junior title wins.

    In many ways, it's great that Mazepin is such an asshole, as it means we can enjoy his struggles guilt-free.

    Edited by muddyyfunster at 11:01:22 04-05-2021
  • SolidSCB 4 May 2021 11:49:58 15,772 posts
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    I don't think there's much point in gatekeeping on this one. He's shit.
  • brokenkey 4 May 2021 12:43:04 10,963 posts
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    Muddyyfunster is a mouthpiece for the Kremlin.

    Edited by brokenkey at 12:43:20 04-05-2021
  • Graxlar_v3 4 May 2021 18:39:02 10,962 posts
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    @muddyyfunster I think what you are seeing is how mid pack of f2 is just not good enough for f1. He does have a shit car but I think ability is more the problem.
  • dsmx 4 May 2021 22:33:48 8,638 posts
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    Didn't he get 11 points on his license in F2?
  • muddyyfunster 5 May 2021 12:05:07 1,075 posts
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    Graxlar_v3 wrote:
    @muddyyfunster I think what you are seeing is how mid pack of f2 is just not good enough for f1. He does have a shit car but I think ability is more the problem.
    Maybe, I agree that mid-pack F2 drivers shouldn't be in F1 but that hasn't stopped them before and mid-pack F2 is still a very high level in the motorsport pyramid. Also, Mazepin was actually slightly better than mid-pack overall as he was 5th in 2020.

    My point was really that sadly, Mazepin doesn't have an unusually low level of pedigree for getting an F1 seat. Drivers with similar records get in thanks to cash/politics all the time and they aren't usually as bad as Mazepin has been. Hence I agree with @JoelStinty that it's been a surprise how far off the pace he's been.

    To list some F1 drivers with similar/worse junior records in recent years: Ericcson/Sirotkin/van der Garde/Guttierez/Chilton/D'Ambrosio/Enge/Monteiro/Pizzonia. None of them deserved a seat in F1 either and they were all underwhelming to various degrees but they didn't appear anything like as inept as Mazepin has this season.

    I'm delighted he's struggling both because he's a world-class asshole and because he simply bought the seat that should have been Illot's on merit (as if sucker punching him in the face wasn't enough).

    Edited by muddyyfunster at 12:08:18 05-05-2021
  • muddyyfunster 5 May 2021 12:07:39 1,075 posts
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    dsmx wrote:
    Didn't he get 11 points on his license in F2?
    Yup historically he's been erratic, and sometimes actively dangerous, but hopelessly slow is new.
  • Nazo 5 May 2021 18:56:08 1,795 posts
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    I read he's supposedly pissed off because being a Ferrari academy driver means Schumacher gets access to a lot more resources than he does. Sounds like daddy's money can't buy everything.
  • monkman76 9 May 2021 14:44:45 18,583 posts
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    Baffling decision by Mercedes not to pit Hamilton the lap after Verstappen. He would have cleared him easily.
  • RyanDS 9 May 2021 14:51:32 13,983 posts
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    Mazeapin ignoring blue flags again. He really is just shit isn't he?
  • Jono62 9 May 2021 15:02:43 26,872 posts
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    I have Daniel as my Double driver and Norris schools him. Swap the double driver to Norris and now Daniel schools him :D
  • Nazo 9 May 2021 15:09:40 1,795 posts
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    Bold move to pit Lewis again but really looked like inflexible thinking to not bring him in after Max's bad stop.
  • SolidSCB 9 May 2021 15:32:07 15,772 posts
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    This'll be the story of the season with the RB not being anywhere near quick enough. Max is ridiculous but they'll never have Perez up there to get in the way of easy strategies like this.
  • JoelStinty 9 May 2021 15:47:31 9,424 posts
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    Enjoyed that. Great strategy from Mercedes. Looked like they have found some pace but Max is making Lewis work for his wins. Bottas probably one step closer to be given the boot with his antics not letting Lewis through. Can see why he did it but it just seemed unnecessary today.

    Good to see Danny ric get on top of the McLaren today too. Good to see Williams back amongst the midfield too albeit till the very end.
  • JoelStinty 9 May 2021 15:50:22 9,424 posts
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    Thinking about it I wouldnít be surprised if Russell to Mercedes is already done and itís just Bottas trying to prove himself.

    Edited by JoelStinty at 15:53:29 09-05-2021
  • muddyyfunster 9 May 2021 15:53:01 1,075 posts
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    To me this weekend was further evidence that the Merc and Red Bull cars are super close in overall performance and it seems like the driver is really making the ultimate difference. Max is superb, but Hamilton has ten years of experience over him and has used that to outrace him three times this year through exploiting every last percent of performance on Sunday. It's very telling that Bottas and Perez were miles off again.

    Barcelona is very much a Hamilton specialist track and I expect the advantage to swing back to Red Bull at Monaco. Good season this.

    Edited by muddyyfunster at 15:54:00 09-05-2021
  • SolidSCB 9 May 2021 16:06:09 15,772 posts
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    Bottas to Perez is the gap to look out for. It's not even close, especially on race pace. We're onto the third consecutive driver who isn't even in the same realm as Verstappen in the same car. He's very, very clearly outdriving it to a significant degree and single handedly dragging a championship fight out of this season. RB need one of their miracle Summer breaks and Max perfect reliability for any chance IMO.
  • Nazo 9 May 2021 16:26:14 1,795 posts
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    Not sure what Bottas was thinking there, he was never going to hold Lewis up for long and itís not like he was fighting for anything. Seems like he was just trying to spoil Lewisí race.
  • SolidSCB 9 May 2021 16:36:28 15,772 posts
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    Petulant and stupid. The dumb thing is, races like this would actually help him keep that seat if he played ball. He just needs to accept that's what he's there for and gobble up the odd race win when it's on a plate for him. That still makes him more fortunate than 17 other drivers on the grid.
  • monkman76 9 May 2021 17:00:45 18,583 posts
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    Bottas has been in that car for 5 seasons now though. Perez is still adjusting, like all the drivers in new teams. He, Ricciardo, Vettel, Alonso, all race winners / champions currently behind teammates more used to their cars after so little pre season testing.
  • SolidSCB 9 May 2021 17:24:46 15,772 posts
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    I don't mean to be a debbie downer but we're just looking for false hope here I think, doesn't help it's fueled by Sky talking out of their bums at every opportunity. By every metric the Mercs are absolutely supreme on Sundays. If Hamilton hadn't had such poor starts/restarts by his standards so far this season it would have looked far worse.

    Leclerc looked good again. Hope his best years aren't pissed away. There's so much high end talent out there at the minute.
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