| Seems especially pronounced this weekend going off P1. There's just no feeling of inertia. It a shame as they are actually going quicker than they ever did in the old days, but the massive boats the cars are now combined with a lot of these new shots aren't fantastic viewing. |
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SolidSCB 16,771 posts
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Robospud 169 posts
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Registered 2 years agoSolidSCB wrote:
Yeah every time you watch footage from pretty much any time from the late 80s to the mid 2000s it looks ten times more exciting than the current barges, even if they were slower on paper. The most exciting lap of last year's F1 season was when Alonso took his old Renault out for a spin.
Seems especially pronounced this weekend going off P1. There's just no feeling of inertia. It a shame as they are actually going quicker than they ever did in the old days, but the massive boats the cars are now combined with a lot of these new shots aren't fantastic viewing. -
Robospud 169 posts
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Registered 2 years agomuddyyfunster wrote:
So basically any time a driver hits another driver from behind, regardless of how much room the leading driver left, as long as there was some tarmac somewhere the leading driver could have left the track onto to sacrifice their position, it's their fault? Do you realise how crazy that is? If that's the precedent then the second place driver just needn't ever bother braking in time for any corner and should always throw it down the inside, it will always be the leading driver's obligation to jump out of their way.
@monkman76 think you've hit the nail on the head. Copse opens with tarmac run-off so there was still loads of room to make it around safely in P2 with all to play for, and plenty of time to make up for being 'forced wide'.
The racing line was on the apex of the corner. Max intentionally took a wide line to leave Lewis room, and he left two car widths of space, that's as generous as any racing driver could ever reasonably be. There are plenty of overlays out there that you can check, which show that Max left just as much space as Leclerc did. But Lewis didn't use that space and instead ploughed into him. Whether you think the penalty was harsh enough is one thing. But the absolutely bizarre logic to try to put the blame on Max for it is something I find mind boggling.
Glad to see he doesn't seem to be too shaken and the car seems to be functioning, so he's back at the top for practice at least. Hopefully we see a fair race on Sunday. -
muddyyfunster 1,371 posts
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Registered 11 years agoNone of us are blaming Max for the incident, we're just saying that he could have done more to avoid the collision and if he had done so, he'd be in a better overall position in the championship. -
@muddyyfunster I don’t think it’s worth arguing with robospud on this. -
muddyyfunster 1,371 posts
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Registered 11 years agoThe thing that gets me with F1 right now is that whilst it's bad that the cars are too heavy, the weight alone isn't the problem and given a lot of the weight is safety structure and batteries that can't be changed.
Here's a 900kg car (150kg more than F1) with a 1100bhp (so slightly worse power to weight) that looks terrifyingly fast:
https://youtu.be/i1ECE3oT-Z8
Take the image stabilisation out of the cameras, remove more aero grip, make H pattern gearboxes mandatory and insist on high revving engines in the next gen. It's doable.
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SolidSCB 16,771 posts
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Registered 12 years agoThe fact the cars are so unbelievably planted these days and everyone is driving to a delta probably doesn't help the visual either. You don't see drivers discovering where the absolute limits are in real time anywhere near as much as you used to. -
muddyyfunster 1,371 posts
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Registered 11 years agoThat was why Istanbul last year was so brilliant, new track, new surface, wet conditions, no real representative data so it was just down to the drivers feeling their way around. A proper test of car control and racing intelligence.
Pity we can't manufacture those circumstances so easily. -
SolidSCB 16,771 posts
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Registered 12 years agoIt was quite a bit of last season really. It's a shame it went a bit hidden because one team were so OP for most of it, but it's no coincidence a lot of the better races came from substitute tracks they hadn't all compiled endless amounts of data, setup and simulator work on. -
Ultrasoundwave 6,439 posts
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Registered 11 years agoMe and the Mrs just finished season 3 of F1: Drive to survive on Netflix and now we’re both hooked on it.
We want to catch up with this season, ideally without watching every minute of every race, quali, practice, etc.
Is there a good TV or YouTube channel where you can watch race build up, race highlights and then a race review or am I asking for too much?
Also am I correct in saying that the first race this year was in Bahrain? -
SolidSCB 16,771 posts
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Registered 12 years agoChannel 4 highlights sound like just the ticket for you. Bonus in that it's genuinely got the best set of presenters too. -
up_the_ante 1,574 posts
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Registered 14 years ago@muddyyfunster Image stabilisation does take a lot of the feeling of speed and being on the ragged edge away. They should put the cameras lower on the car too. -
Ultrasoundwave 6,439 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSolidSCB wrote:
Cheers!
Channel 4 highlights sound like just the ticket for you. Bonus in that it's genuinely got the best set of presenters too. -
Robospud 169 posts
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Registered 2 years agomuddyyfunster wrote:
That’s on the same level as “well she shouldn’t have worn that short skirt” - yes, Max could have totally jumped out of the way but he was in no way aggressive, he was on exactly the same line Leclerc was. He left Lewis more room than he really should have needed to and he took a completely reasonable and fair racing line before he was taken out by Lewis who was a good bit behind, had loads of room he could have used, but missed the apex by a mile.
None of us are blaming Max for the incident, we're just saying that he could have done more to avoid the collision and if he had done so, he'd be in a better overall position in the championship. -
dsmx 8,640 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMax was an idiot quite frankly. He had no need to fight Hamilton at that corner he instead chose to fight a battle he was always going to come off worse in.
He's ahead in the championship, he could of afforded to finish second and he should of known that in race trim he was faster in his car then the Mercedes.
Regardless of what happened the reality is Max should of not even given a chance of the collision happening in the first place.
I'm also not happy at the way Red Bull have conducted themselves during this entire farce. Then they try to appeal the stewards decision with some of the worst and flimsiest new "evidence" I've ever known.
As much as I was to see a new world champion I can't stand red bull now and Horners attitude to the whole incident, his response in public should of been Max is a fighter and these incidents happen when racing.
In private it should be Max that was a stupid thing to do, we are ahead in the championship, you didn't need to fight Hamilton there, we are faster in race trim and there would of been other opportunities to take back the lead. -
muddyyfunster 1,371 posts
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Registered 11 years agoIf Red Bull do win tomorrow, a tenner that Horner goes full Alan 'needless to say, I had the last laugh' Partridge over the team radio. -
spurslol 660 posts
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Registered 3 years agoToto need not worry about Horner ruining Hammy’s reputation, he’s doing it all by himself -
That was super shitty.
Booers can get fucked though, no need for it.
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damagedinc 3,104 posts
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Registered 10 years agospurslol wrote:
Nah this is why he is a 7 times winner. Why would red bull go out before merc. Tow useless here and Lewis sitting pretty on pole. Makes no sense for him to send it with max behind him. Max could have over taken him and he didn't I first few corners.
Toto need not worry about Horner ruining Hammy’s reputation, he’s doing it all by himself
Red bull getting salty but merc and Lewis turning the screw and redbull can't deal with it. -
SolidSCB 16,771 posts
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Registered 12 years ago"I want a challenge"
Turns into F1's answer to Jose Mourinho when challenged. -
damagedinc 3,104 posts
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Registered 10 years agoWell It wasn't beyond senna or any other champion so let's not pretend f1 drivers are not trying to gain every advantage.
Max fluffed first run and then stuck behind merc on 2nd. Red bull only got themselves to blame
Plus the pole lap from Lewis incredible -
SolidSCB 16,771 posts
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Registered 12 years agoI'd lay off the pop if I were you. -
muddyyfunster 1,371 posts
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Registered 11 years agoBottas was right ahead of Hamilton on the same out lap pace so it was blatantly a team decision, rather than Hamilton himself just being opportunistic.
To be fair to Horner he actually took that well and acknowledged it was just gamesmanship and that RB would probably have done a similar thing if roles were reversed. It's just the risk you run if you want to be last for the best track conditions.
Also, the booing is totally fair game in that scenario, it's part of sport. Sure it's not especially sporting so the fans are entitled to boo. It was only the equivalent of your goalkeeper holding onto the ball as long as possible when you've got a 1-0 lead, nothing more than that. Equally, Lewis is entitled to acknowledge the boos and give it back a bit, even if what he said made him look a prick.
Very surprised at the actual result. Probably a combination of high track temps, the track characteristics suiting the Merc, and it being a traditional Hamilton stronghold. Still thought RB would suddenly pull half a second but the fact that Perez was a similar distance away again suggests Max himself hasn't be slowed by the Silverstone crash at least.
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RyanDS 14,073 posts
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Registered 13 years agoGraxlar_v3 wrote:
What happened? I am on holiday so no TV etc.
That was super shitty.
Booers can get fucked though, no need for it. -
RyanDS wrote:
Red bulls went out for a second run behind the Mercades…. Hamilton and Bottas went super slowly on their outlaps to impede the red bulls.
Graxlar_v3 wrote:
What happened? I am on holiday so no TV etc.
That was super shitty.
Booers can get fucked though, no need for it.
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muddyyfunster 1,371 posts
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Registered 11 years agoRyanDS wrote:
The 2 RBs were released directly behind the 2 Mercs for the final run. The 2 Mercs drove the slowest legal outlap possible, and Perez didn't get a lap in.
Graxlar_v3 wrote:
What happened? I am on holiday so no TV etc.
That was super shitty.
Booers can get fucked though, no need for it. -
RyanDS 14,073 posts
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Registered 13 years agoOuch. Just slow or taking the piss slow? -
@RyanDS piss taking I assume.
Oh apparently he was only a second slower in his second out lap than he was his first… it must have been the fact that the cameras followed Hamilton the entire lap and showed max up his arse.
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muddyyfunster 1,371 posts
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Registered 11 years agoApparently, it was 3secs slower than their first outlap. 2min13s vs 2min10s. Personally, I don't think 3 seconds longer is taking the piss.
It looked worse because I think Red Bull immediately realised they'd made a mistake and Max initially looked like he might try and get past, but Lewis left his car in the middle of the track so there was no chance. -
You could have chucked a mobility scooter down the pitlane quicker than he was going, face practically pressed up against the mirror the entire time.
Nothing that can be done about it like, it's just abysmal sportsmanship as per from the guy who claims he wants a fair fight when he's smiling and winning races by 30 seconds.
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