Why is FF7 called: 'the most returned game ever'?

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  • templar-wizard 10 Jun 2004 11:51:08 3,153 posts
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    i guess its because it has been returned. but for what reason (in the gaming zeitgeist)?
  • ruttyboy 10 Jun 2004 11:52:16 7,950 posts
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    Are you sure it's not "The most returned to game ever"?
  • Nemesis 10 Jun 2004 11:53:03 19,742 posts
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    I took my PC version back, because it kept locking up.

    /small shrug
  • Machiavel 10 Jun 2004 11:55:55 5,964 posts
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    Because the mass market, agog at the FMV and fanfares, didn't realise it was a Japanese RPG?
  • Blerk Moderator 10 Jun 2004 11:56:10 48,222 posts
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    Because people saw the 'flashy FMV bits' on the telly and though that was actually the game. Do you see?
  • templar-wizard 10 Jun 2004 11:59:27 3,153 posts
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    is that the REAL reason?
  • Machiavel 10 Jun 2004 12:02:00 5,964 posts
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    They thought Cloud was ... ... a Muppet?
  • Blerk Moderator 10 Jun 2004 12:02:01 48,222 posts
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    is that the REAL reason?

    Yes.
  • Angel_Treats 10 Jun 2004 12:05:08 11,070 posts
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    I took my PSone version back, I didn't like it at all.




    heh heh, I wonder if anyone can spot the lies in the above sentence! :-)
  • ruttyboy 10 Jun 2004 12:09:26 7,950 posts
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    kevf123 wrote:
    Because it's not the world beating universal best game ever that the reviews of the time and afficianados would have you think? RPG's are an acquired taste that a lot of people just don't acquire.
    Yeah, people who don't read books ;)
  • martyngates 10 Jun 2004 12:13:31 1,752 posts
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    they mistook it for porn?
  • Blerk Moderator 10 Jun 2004 12:19:59 48,222 posts
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    Example - my brother-in-law:
    He saw FF7 on GamesMaster on the telly and thought it looked fantastic. So he bought a Playstation, FF7 and some shooty-fighty-something-or-other game. To this day, he's not played it for more than an hour.

    "It doesn't look anything like it did on the telly!", he complained. "And it's really complicated. And everyone just stands around while you select 'fight' from a menu!"

    The upside of the story:
    I borrowed it and loved it more than any other game I'd played in about five years. Without this event, I may never have gotten into RPGs or console gaming.

    Put the time machine away, vandals!
  • ekko 10 Jun 2004 12:24:22 904 posts
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    I thought that was Forsaken because it gave everyone motion sickness.
  • ruttyboy 10 Jun 2004 12:29:42 7,950 posts
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    kevf123 wrote:
    ruttyboy wrote:
    kevf123 wrote:
    Because it's not the world beating universal best game ever that the reviews of the time and afficianados would have you think? RPG's are an acquired taste that a lot of people just don't acquire.
    Yeah, people who don't read books ;)

    Maybe people who do read books and prefer their games a little different.

    Maybe people who did it out of spite because the of the piety of the afficianados.
    I'm sorry, could you repeat that so I could understand it? ;)
  • Chris-Gardiner 10 Jun 2004 12:33:40 962 posts
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    I returned my first (PC) copy because, when I finally got it working, it ran *upside-down* on the monitor. Seriously.

    Edited by Chris Gardiner at 11:34:08 10-06-2004
  • martyngates 10 Jun 2004 12:35:31 1,752 posts
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    Chris Gardiner wrote:
    I returned my first (PC) copy because, when I finally got it working, it ran *upside-down* on the monitor. Seriously.

    did you try flipping the cd over?

    /im sorry il take my coat and leave
  • Chris-Gardiner 10 Jun 2004 12:37:44 962 posts
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    martyngates wrote:
    did you try flipping the cd over?

    :)
  • Decoded 10 Jun 2004 12:37:57 4,426 posts
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    kevf123 wrote:
    Because it's not the world beating universal best game ever that the reviews of the time and afficianados would have you think? RPG's are an acquired taste that a lot of people just don't acquire.

    To many people it remains an unsurpassed gaming experience. Now of course it wasn't for everybody (and what is?) but that doesn't mean the reviews and "afficiandaos" were wrong, because in my eyes they were spot on.
  • ruttyboy 10 Jun 2004 12:42:29 7,950 posts
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    kevf123 wrote:
    ruttyboy wrote:
    I'm sorry, could you repeat that so I could understand it? ;)

    Yes, I found it a boring repetitive chore by the time I was a 1/3rd of the way into the second disc, and claiming that people who don't like it are stupid is pretty insulting.

    Low boredom threshold or non-obsessive personality is perhaps valid, but I consider most FF games unvaried and dull.
    Calm down! Did you not see me winking at you?
  • martyngates 10 Jun 2004 12:48:34 1,752 posts
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    you either love an rpg or hate it

    personally i loved all the ff games, secret of mana, zelda lttp + ww, suikoden

    but zelda oot + mm bored me to death as did start wars kotr
  • Blerk Moderator 10 Jun 2004 12:50:53 48,222 posts
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    I never trust RPG review scores, even though I do enjoy the odd one (currently enjoying M&LSS), I always find an element of bias creeps in moreso than reviews of games in any other genre.

    Absolutely correct. I never trust them either, but for the opposite reason - in my experience only Final Fantasy games ever get good scores in reviews, especially in magazines.

    There've been some cracking RPGs which have scored badly in reviews because the reviewers just can't be arsed to play them properly before writing stuff down. Equally, some Final Fantasy games score highly for the exact same reasons - they give them a high score because they think they're supposed to.

    RPGs are very personal. Never trust reviews, just buy them all and play them yourself. :-)
  • Lutz 10 Jun 2004 12:58:36 48,870 posts
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    Chris Gardiner wrote:
    I returned my first (PC) copy because, when I finally got it working, it ran *upside-down* on the monitor. Seriously.

    Edited by Chris Gardiner at 11:34:08 10-06-2004
    Same here funnily enough. The game didn't, but the FMV did. Very odd.
  • Decoded 10 Jun 2004 12:59:53 4,426 posts
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    The Zelda games never really did very much for me, but I'm not going to argue with anyone who wants to proclaim one of them "the best game evar", as routinely happens. My point was that too many people dismiss popular games as "crap" or "overrated" because they don't personally like them.

    It was to be expected that a large number of people wouldn't get along with FFVII but I maintain that the views presnted by the fans and media were valid.

    And that's the last I'll say on the matter.

    Unless I'm provoked ;-)

    Edited by Decoded at 12:00:38 10-06-2004
  • erniewhatbert 10 Jun 2004 13:05:40 3,076 posts
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    I don't think I've played another RPG through, but it has certainly helped me open my eyes to a new genre.
  • Deleted user 10 June 2004 13:07:34
    Blerk wrote:
    I never trust RPG review scores, even though I do enjoy the odd one (currently enjoying M&LSS), I always find an element of bias creeps in moreso than reviews of games in any other genre.

    RPGs are very personal. Never trust reviews, just buy them all and play them yourself. :-)
    Though didn't Dark Chronicle, which i know you also rate, score highly acros the board?
    I got into FF and rpgs by accident; I traded in for FFVII because it had a nice big box and looked long. How's that for informed choice-making? I ended up loving it and have become an rpg fan since.
    As a serial trader, I don't own it any more, though.
  • Blerk Moderator 10 Jun 2004 13:10:03 48,222 posts
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    Though didn't Dark Chronicle, which i know you also rate, score highly acros the board?

    They do sometimes get it right, especially with 'action' RPGs like Chronicle.

    That said, I'm always suspicious until I've played it myself - even if I end up agreeing with the review in the end!
  • Angel_Treats 10 Jun 2004 13:13:58 11,070 posts
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    I definitely wouldn't consider Zelda to be an RPG, although I'm not really sure what genre it fits into. Action? Even platformer? Who knows?
  • Blerk Moderator 10 Jun 2004 13:15:40 48,222 posts
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    Zelda is an action-adventure game with a few RPG-style elements. It's not an 'RPG', as such.

    Doesn't mean it's not ace, though. :-)
  • Decoded 10 Jun 2004 13:17:48 4,426 posts
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    I dislike first-person shooters, so on a personal level I have that black-and-white view. Acknowledging my dislike for the genre doesn't lead to me questioning some of the views held on games such as Halo. Written by fans or not it doesn't make any difference to me.

    Zelda I consider to be an action-adventure rather than an RPG.
  • Deleted user 10 June 2004 13:21:27
    Zelda I've never seen or played but hear lots of praise for all the time. Why's it so good?
    I just played Sphinx and the Curse of the Mummy, which was compared (a bit) to Zelda. Is that true?
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