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EuroGamer Darkfall review. • Page 7
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GuiltySpark 6,790 posts
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Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoHeh, I loved the "poll" they had on the DF forums about the EG review.
Why did EG give DF 2/10?
-They were being paid by Blizzard
-EG is a shit website
-The game deserved it (not likely, if you vote for this you are a gay carebear)
-EG IS RUBBISH
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ilmaestro 32,932 posts
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richardiox 10,097 posts
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Registered 17 years ago"Carebare" is Darkfall speak for anyone with a girlfriend/wife. Any group of gamers who have this word in their lexicon are sad as fuck - as has been proved today.
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Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI assumed "carebear" was a reference to WOW, and its bright, kind of cartoony look. No idea, though. -
ardamillo 638 posts
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Registered 15 years agorichardiox wrote:
"Carebare" is Darkfall speak for anyone with a girlfriend/wife. Any group of gamers who have this word in their lexicon are sad as fuck - as has been proved today.
/strokes beard
/wanks off elf
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Andee 1,052 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI had assumed that 'carebare' was supposed to be a strange, non-offensive way of calling someone a cunt.
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Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoGay carebears like to have sex with carebears of the same gender. -
ChanoVirtus 1 posts
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Darkfall Developer
Join Date: Jan 2003 Eurogamer Darkfall Review
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Just the facts:
Darkfall scores a 2 out of a possible 10. Reviewers hardly played the game based on the server logs.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/da...-online-review
Eurogamer’s MMO Editor came to me over a month ago and asked for 2 accounts to review Darkfall which they promptly received. Today, more than a month later they came out with their long awaited review and we REALLY flunked it would seem. Darkfall got 2/10.
2/10 according to the Eurogamer scoring policy means: Avoid at all costs etc. You can find the scoring policy here:
http://www.eurogamer.net/scoring_policy.php
Scroll down to 2 and see how much this guy hated Darkfall and how strongly Eurogamer prompts everyone to avoid it at all costs.
The MMO editor warned me personally about the bad review on the way, and I asked him to give us some consideration and get another reviewer on the case since 2/10 is the lowest review they’ve ever given, and Darkfall’s reviews so far have been mostly good ones. It sounded very unfair to me and I appealed its publication. Not even the harshest critics of the game or the trolls on various forums would give it that low a score. This is a niche game we explained and perhaps the reviewer’s play-style was completely different and he was maybe the wrong kind of person to review the game. Darkfall isn’t for everyone after all, and having someone who can’t handle this kind of game write the review would be unfair both to the game and to Eurogamer readers. You can’t use the same tool for every job. Eurogamer’s MMO editor refused and basically said that he carefully selected a reviewer that would be fair to the game and that he would stand by the review. Then he posted the review.
When we read the hostile review by Ed Zitron, one thing became apparent: he had not played the game at all. Eurogamer readers and Darkfall players are posting bullet lists of factual errors in the story. The reviewer hadn't even figured out the very basics of the game before he wrote about it. We checked the logs for the 2 accounts we gave Eurogamer and we found that one of them had around 3 minutes playtime, and the other had less than 2 hours spread out in 13 sessions. Most of these 2 hours were spent in the character creator since during almost every one of the logins the reviewer spent the time creating a new character. The rest of the time was apparently spent taking the low-res screenshots that accompanied the article. At no point did this reviewer spend more than a few minutes online at a time.
Darkfall is the largest MMORPG game of its kind and this guy spent a few minutes playing(?) before he tore it apart. How can someone do that responsibly? Ed Zitron didn’t even give Darkfall a chance.
The entire review is opinionated and hostile; it attacks the game, the creators and the company at every chance. The creators and developers of Darkfall, as well as the Darkfall community through its reaction, consider this review suspect and question the motives behind its publication. We can take a bad review, but not like this. Even the worst reviews that we’ve received commend our efforts and speak of the potential of Darkfall. The majority of our players love the game. This review might keep new players from ever trying a game they would enjoy.
We sent the play-time information to Eurogamer and asked them to take down the article as it is damaging our game’s reputation but also Eurogamer’s reputation. We asked to get an unbiased reviewer on the case who will actually play the game before writing about it. They said that taking it down now would be more damaging to their reputation than if they left it up. After our reaction to publicize the play history of their reviewers to protect our game, they asked us to wait while they try to confirm what we already knew from our logs. We’re afraid that waiting any longer is unacceptable to us, because this review was designed to drive people away from our game and allowing it to remain without any kind of reaction is out of the question. Out of professional courtesy we’ve waited 5 hours longer than we said we would before posting this.
An update: Eurogamer got back to us via their editor and said that their reviewer is a contributing writer rather than a staff writer, that he claims to have spent at least 9 hours playing the game and they will stand by their publication. We wrote back that this is a lie and that our server logs(which they already have) show the playtime down to the second and they are at their disposal. They offered to re-review the game and see if the second reviewer has a different opinion than the first one. We wrote back that it might be hard to find someone to confirm the first review, especially if they actually play the game.
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Logs don't lie. Just because you suck at a game doesn't mean it's a bad game. Some of us would rather be doing something challenging than standing in front of the bank showing off our uber items. -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoCould you just post the link, please? We don't need all of the text here. -
idiotsavant 63 posts
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Registered 13 years agoChanoVirtus wrote:
Logs don't lie.
It's trivial to alter/fake log files.
I'm not saying that's what happened here, but we can't take the word of the developer as gospel simply because he or she can produce a couple of text files. -
twelveways 7,131 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI think its kinda funny that people are defending the review when it was obviously a bollocks review. I understand loyalty to the site and all that but the review had so many errors in it that it is a joke.
I have never played darkfall and never will as I think MMOs are very gay but I do love eurogamer and think its sad that a site I trust and use to guage new games can put up bullshit like that. Maybe the game is wank but that doesn't mean you can do a half review and fill it with lies. -
MisterCraig 68 posts
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Registered 13 years ago''I think MMOs are very gay.''
You think MMOs are homosexual?
This game seems to bring out the best in all of us! -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agotwelveways wrote:
Specifically, what lies are there? Are they actually lies, or just things that he didn't know about? Generally, a lie requires the liar to know that it is a lie.
I think its kinda funny that people are defending the review when it was obviously a bollocks review. I understand loyalty to the site and all that but the review had so many errors in it that it is a joke.
I have never played darkfall and never will as I think MMOs are very gay but I do love eurogamer and think its sad that a site I trust and use to guage new games can put up bullshit like that. Maybe the game is wank but that doesn't mean you can do a half review and fill it with lies.
I'm not attacking or defending the review. I really can't, because I haven't played the game. If there are inaccuracies in it, then he deserves to be called up on them.
Most of the pro-df comments in the review thread are more like "oh wow, 75% of this review is bullshit, I hate the reviewer, I signed up to EG just to say this, and I'm never coming back" etc. They don't back up the argument with anything but flames, and it's not exactly convincing me of the validity of their position. -
twelveways 7,131 posts
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Registered 15 years agoAn MMO once propositioned me in a public toilet. -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agotwelveways wrote:
Did you say yes?
An MMO once propositioned me in a public toilet. -
twelveways 7,131 posts
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Registered 15 years agoMaybe the mistakes were things that the reviewer didn't notice/know about but if he had done his job properly then he would/should have known about them, hotkeys for example.
Im not defending the DFO community, they all sound like a bunch of retards but I think the dev put his point across (on the previous page) fairly, well and eloquently.
I dont know if the reviewer had a hidden agenda or if he was just having a bad day but it is a very sloppy review. -
twelveways 7,131 posts
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Registered 15 years agoGenji wrote:
twelveways wrote:
Did you say yes?
An MMO once propositioned me in a public toilet.
He promised me epic loot but it turned out to be just a purple helmet+1 and a wrinkly bag of holding
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Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agotwelveways wrote:
Well, if it's like that, then I can understand the anger.
Maybe the mistakes were things that the reviewer didn't notice/know about but if he had done his job properly then he would/should have known about them, hotkeys for example.
Im not defending the DFO community, they all sound like a bunch of retards but I think the dev put his point across (on the previous page) fairly, well and eloquently.
I dont know if the reviewer had a hidden agenda or if he was just having a bad day but it is a very sloppy review.
Well, maybe not the level of anger I've seen from fans of this game, but still. It's their right.
I would like to see the reviewer respond to the criticism, though. He should be allowed to have his say, and defend his position. Or offer an apology. -
They're talking about doing a "forum invasion" over on those Darkfall forums... Which is all very big man of them - there's a 72 hour cooling off period before you can post over there, and they suspend people at the drop of a hat. Check it out, anyone on there saying "errr... this game is a bit rubbish" gets their account suspended.
The most hardcore retarded community of any game ever? -
Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoClearly you have never visited No Mutants Allowed. -
/sharpens sword
Bring it on, time for griefing. -
Paperghost 1,702 posts
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Registered 13 years agoNo interest in playing the game at all, but I'm amazed so many factual errors could be in a review where the guy was playing around with it for 9 hours or whatever it was. Also, all this hoohah over whether he had a super secret account somewhere that the devs didn't know about - well that's easily solved, someone can just ask him what it was. No more arguments over playtime, though the review is so full of screwups I don't think quibbling over length of time played matters much here.
Also, posting in epic thread and
"Just the other day I rode my horse to the Dwarf lands"
needs to be on one of these EG t-shirts, because it's the greatest thing ever said by anyone ever. -
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Genji 19,682 posts
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Registered 17 years agoOne of the newest comments is from EG_IS_BALLS
Love it. -
DFawkes 32,785 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI wouldn't defend the review itself, and I wouldn't necessarily use it to guide my purchasing decision. But the level of literacy and general intelligence on their forum as well as their most feverent defenders has put me off even trying it.
Plus I have to quote from the thread on the Darkfall site, and the Comments thread, from intelectual giant ZtruK:
"There are none of the intricacies of World of Warcraft or Warhammer Online"
EXACTLY DOUCHBAG
Yeah... I'll pass on that game. -
One of their forumites wrote "an MMO lives or dies on its userbase."
Hoisted on their own petard.
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