Sonos Users' Thread Page 41

  • You-can-call-me-kal 26 May 2020 16:15:07 22,915 posts
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    Yeah thereís always going to be a bit of a knock-on effect when you upgrade a major component of your setup. But I think the main lesson Iíve learned over the years is to look for as much flexibility as possible. Anything thatís particularly limited in the cables or sources or formats it can work with will probably cause you headaches and regret at some point. Even little things like the Playbar not having a replaceable power cable has caused me (extremely first world) problems.
  • Fourwisemen 26 May 2020 17:36:27 1,064 posts
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    @ozthegweat

    ozthegweat wrote:
    Yeah you'd need a TV with eARC, which is rather new.

    An AVR is the best option if you want to keep (or have invested a lot in) your speakers. But with technologies of sources, connections, display devices and content changing all the time, you have to replace all kinds of devices (players, receivers, TV, cables) all the time anyway.

    After having had a 5.1.2 system, I'm quite content right now with my 2.0 "system" (E6 OLED). At neighbour- and significant-other-friendly volumes, it's perfectly fine. The only thing I miss now and then are directional cues when gaming (discern if a particular sound was coming from behind me).
    I've been reading up on this a fair bit and the new Sonos Arc can be powered by the new fancy e-ARC or the old standard ARC HDMI connections.

    For full fat, i.e. uncompressed ATMOS that's referred to as TrueHD then e-ARC is a requirement.

    If you have standard ARC HDMI connection then you can output from the TV as Dolby Digital Plus which is essentially a compressed form of ATMOS and what the streaming services use for the content (apart from AppleTV apparently)

    I was going to put off the thought of buying the Sonos Arc because I only have a standard HDMI ARC TV but seeing e-ARC wasn't essential has now put me back in front of the buy button (trying to hold of for reviews but have a feeling there will be a tonne of orders as soon as they hit the street as they seem very confident in what they're bringing to the table (or indeed wall))..

    Edited by Fourwisemen at 17:38:25 26-05-2020
  • ozthegweat 26 May 2020 17:42:42 2,851 posts
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    @You-can-call-me-kal Yeah that's true. Components like speakers that are wired with copper cables can last for decades. And multi-channel PCM is codec-agnostic.

    I believe that the biggest changes are behind us though. HDR was arguably much more important than 4K, and while 60 Hz satisified most people, 120 Hz is still a worthwile step. While I can't hear a difference between DD/DTS and their HD brethren (I believe the quality of source, amp and speakers are much more important), an argument can be made that it is also something of value.

    99.9% of people will gain nothing from, and see no benefit in, a setup that is more advanced than 4K HDR @ 120 Hz with 8-channel uncompressed audio.

    What will count is how easy a system is to set up and use. There are TVs with good built-in speakers, but I don't understand why those don't offer the option to connect a sub and 2 or 4 satellites.

    Edited by ozthegweat at 17:44:49 26-05-2020
  • askew 9 Jun 2020 09:30:54 23,117 posts
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    New controller app is out: looks a bit slicker than the old version (now named S1).
  • Fourwisemen 9 Jun 2020 20:39:09 1,064 posts
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    @askew

    Looks a little slicker, although other than being able to define preset groups of speakers Iím not seeing any great new functionality though.

    Iíd really like to see EQ/surround level toggles and ideally different defaults for TV and music.

    Hopefully this is just start the migration and then start adding functionality.

    Looking forward to the Arc turning up tomorrow, although not going to get to give it a proper run until Thursday (decorating the bloody living room... 😡;).

    Iíll post impressions ASAP.
  • askew 9 Jun 2020 21:14:26 23,117 posts
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    I was a bit disappointed that the blimmin' Spotify icon in the desktop version is _still_ about five years oldÖ
  • Dougs 10 Jun 2020 10:21:10 98,694 posts
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    Getting the random stopping notifications on my Android widget, which is frustrating. Was a problem a while ago with the last app but went away after an update. Clearly a hangover in the new app or something.
  • Fourwisemen 11 Jun 2020 07:08:14 1,064 posts
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    Some quick first impressions of the Arc, music only as finishing a living/dining redecoration and my C9 arrives today (perfect timing)..

    I set it up in the bedroom (no Trueplay yet and Arc alone without Sub or rears) and played a selection of different genre, styles and speaker performance requirements, so specifics below..

    Jose Gonzalez - Save Your Day. With this just being acoustic guitar and vocal but with some nice dynamics, a nice track to let the sound breathe. Lovely clarity and tone with the buzz off the frets that are sat in the track coming through and really Feels like heís in the room with you.

    David Bowie - Station to Station. The opening Ďtrainí had a great sensation of a slow pan, the prominent bass guitar felt really nice and in comparisons to Playbar felt much more alive (I loved my Playbar). Deffo put a smile on the face.

    Mark Lanegan - One Hundred Days. I specifically gave this a run because the track is dominated by the bass guitar line that runs through and the gravel like vocal. I couldnít believe I didnít have the sub attached.

    Propllerheads - Oh Yeah!. Again chosen for a specific reason, the track starting with a back and forth pan by what sounds like a skateboard. The width of sound and smoothness of the pan was so much better than the Playbar and sounded great throughout, the drums sounding really lively.

    Gesaffelstein - Pursuit. A very deep cut and highlights the strength of the bass output, really nice and deep/bold especially considering the relatively slight profile of Arc. I didnĎt go beyond 50%, and rarely do, but can imagine anyone not used to having a Sub would find this pretty awesome.

    Roots Manuva - One Thing. This is my go to track for showing off the Sub performance, and of course didnít expect anything like that solo, but still came away impressed in context of Arc doing all the work. One thing (unintentional pun) I need to check though is through the verse the bass had a bit of a buzz to it, which I canít recall if itís there by design. Itís possible the Arc was struggling a bit here but will retry this later when reattached to the TV and surrounds.

    Overall impression so far, and realising Iíve not scratched the surface, is that this is a very smile inducing bit of kit and really feels like a big step up from Playbar. IĎve not used a beam, but can only imagine how chuffed those upgrading from that are.

    Edited by Fourwisemen at 07:08:36 11-06-2020
  • ozthegweat 11 Jun 2020 07:25:05 2,851 posts
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    Thanks for you impressions! Will you use it for gaming as well?
  • Fourwisemen 11 Jun 2020 07:51:02 1,064 posts
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    @ozthegweat

    Yep and will be trying out a few things that are supposed to have good Atmos implementation.

    Any thoughts on XBOneX games that would give it a good test?

    Iíll share impressions of games and movies over the next couple of days. My Play 5 is in the bedroom so will do a Ďside by sideí comparison as well, could be interesting.
  • ozthegweat 11 Jun 2020 09:31:41 2,851 posts
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    There are only 12 Xbox games that support Atmos anyway according to this list:
    - Assassin's Creed: Origins
    - Battlefield 1
    - Call of Duty: Modern Warfare
    - Crackdown 3
    - Final Fantasy XV
    - Gears of War 4
    - Gears 5
    - Overwatch
    - Resident Evil 2
    - Rise of the Tomb Raider
    - Shadow of the Tomb Raider
    - Super Lucky's Tale

    Edited by ozthegweat at 09:31:56 11-06-2020
  • Fourwisemen 11 Jun 2020 19:38:47 1,064 posts
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    @ozthegweat

    Well, Iíve a few of them so will give a go tomorrow.

    Living/dining room redecoration finished, now to enjoy the Arc and C9.

    Following my feedback on music, some initial testing on movie/TV.

    Sub and rears are now on, not true played yet as waiting to pop the curtains up, but I am pretty bowled over before that with the upgrade from Playbar.

    Iíve run a few Dolby tests and the presence of the audio is a huge step up.

    Playing some standard 5.1 was noticeably a bigger soundstage.

    As others, I gave Bladerunner 2049 a few scenes and no doubt the immersion is on another level.

    Iím sure a full on dedicated Atmos system would be Ďbetterí but for what is a typical living room environment, I think most people would love it.

    https://share.icloud.com/photos/06PQQ64W5PestOnZGec0_uuNw#Northwich_-_Winnington

    Edited by Fourwisemen at 19:42:45 11-06-2020
  • Fourwisemen 12 Jun 2020 13:51:49 1,064 posts
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    @ozthegweat

    Quick update on this as had a chance to give a couple of games a bit of a test this morn.

    Gears 5 sounds seriously good and a big step up from a standard 5.1 Playbar setup. A real feeling of spaciousness to the audio.

    Forza 4 again feels a real benefit, although Iím an in car view user so the engine sound dominates. Switching to an outside view again brings the sense of space.

    I popped Grid on to see how that fared with an interesting result. It sounded great but then I realised the rears were not on so had to go into the settings and switch the HDMI output to Dolby Digital so this is a bit of a pain (not Sonos fault obvs, be far better if Xbox could auto detect and switch).

    All in all, and as I really expected, and as an unashamed Sonos fanboy, across all three situations Iím well impressed
  • TommyUnderwear 12 Jun 2020 16:18:03 364 posts
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    @Fourwisemen impressive. Nice looking setup.
  • Fourwisemen 4 Mar 2021 16:48:49 1,064 posts
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    Looks like a nice addition to the lineup coming..

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/4/22313451/sonos-roam-leak-features-specs-price-release-date
  • TheSaint 4 Mar 2021 17:06:30 20,544 posts
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    Hard to see why you'd buy that over a UE Boom.
  • ozthegweat 4 Mar 2021 18:14:46 2,851 posts
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    Perhaps a different sound signature.
  • Dougs 4 Mar 2021 20:39:20 98,694 posts
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    Plus, I find Bluetooth to be flakey as fuck. I may be interested in that for the summer. Would quite like a Move or whatever it's called but both come down to price point.
  • Zomoniac 4 Mar 2021 20:42:14 10,439 posts
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    Iíd rather they just make some Arcs.
  • Dougs 5 Mar 2021 12:20:46 98,694 posts
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    TheSaint wrote:
    Hard to see why you'd buy that over a UE Boom.
    Is there a preferred model? So much choice..... looking to get a new outdoor speaker so....
  • nickthegun 5 Mar 2021 12:35:06 86,026 posts
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    We have 2x JBLs (one for the can, one for the garden) and canít recommend them highly enough, if youíre after that kind of thing.
  • Dougs 5 Mar 2021 13:43:03 98,694 posts
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    Just need a step up from the Lidl £20 job, which is fine but flakey as. Got a mini-JBL (for the car, as my car is so old, I have no BT or even Aux - and putting one in is a no go due to the weird dash). Been quite impressed with it for something so tiny.
  • Technoishmatt 5 Mar 2021 13:56:01 5,071 posts
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    Isn't the point that it will join up with other Sonos speakers? So you have same music playing.
  • Technoishmatt 5 Mar 2021 13:59:59 5,071 posts
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    Isn't the point that it will join up with other Sonos speakers? So you have same music playing.o
  • Zerobob 5 Mar 2021 16:26:48 2,913 posts
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    Fourwisemen wrote:
    Looks like a nice addition to the lineup coming..

    https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/4/22313451/sonos-roam-leak-features-specs-price-release-date
    This is exactly what's missing from the Sonos lineup.

    My wifi reaches throughout the entire house with barely any drop-off... until you get to the garden. It barely reaches past the back door for some reason.

    I was going to buy another Sonos speaker for the kitchen (which could double up as an outdoor speaker for the summer) until I realised none of them have bluetooth, so I'm completely reliant on an outdoor wifi connection.

    This has wifi and bluetooth, so me or a friend can simply connect their phone to it, or I can use it as part of my indoor Sonos network. Perfect.

    Edit: Just realised the Sonos Move has both bluetooth and wifi too, although I wasn't looking to spend £350 on a speaker, especially one I'm going to use outdoors.

    Edited by Zerobob at 16:32:47 05-03-2021
  • monkman76 5 Mar 2021 16:30:53 18,386 posts
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    Sonos speakers create their own mesh though as I understand it, so you just need a speaker near the garden (but still in good wifi range) and one in the garden. That may be more than you have available of course.
  • Zerobob 5 Mar 2021 16:36:47 2,913 posts
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    @monkman76 Ah interesting, I didn't realise they could talk to each other directly. I thought they all connected to your router and the app on your phone orchestrated commands between them.
  • Fourwisemen 5 Mar 2021 20:00:00 1,064 posts
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    @Zerobob

    The Move is an excellent speaker choice, especially if you can get in a sale, and sounds excellent outdoors.

    I like to take a speaker on a holiday, remember those..., but the move is a heavy bugger.

    The Roam looks like it would be far better for that type of situ, no doubt the sound wonít come close to the Move, but Iím going to guess good enough for those times when you want to easily take sound with you.

    If just for the garden though, the Move really is excellent.
  • Dougs 11 Mar 2021 10:53:59 98,694 posts
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    So tempted to pre-order the Roam. It's the right price point for me really. Would prefer a Move but I'm not spending that!
  • monkman76 11 Mar 2021 11:10:13 18,386 posts
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    Yeah I think I'm going to get one. I've got 30% off due to having one of the 'legacy' speakers (grr) so I don't think I can resist at £110. (Worth logging in and checking that yourself if you have an older speaker or amp etc.)
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