Sonos Users' Thread Page 33

  • Fourwisemen 4 Apr 2019 13:07:21 822 posts
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    @HairyArse

    If music is a big part of your usage then deffo worth having a little play in the room settings, trying ambient vs full and playing with the rear volume sliders.

    Full and Ambient are very different listening experiences.
  • HairyArse 4 Apr 2019 13:24:52 1,310 posts
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    Can anyone recommend any movies in particular that are good for testing the rears? Preferably something on Netflix.

    I'll check out all the other suggestions for settings tweaks tonight.

    Edited by HairyArse at 13:29:56 04-04-2019
  • nickthegun 4 Apr 2019 13:30:20 78,749 posts
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    The new F1 doc is pretty whizzy.

    As, I suppose, are most things with a car chase.
  • HairyArse 4 Apr 2019 13:43:02 1,310 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    You can check in the app. It's a bit weird in the UX but in the advances settings under info you can see what kind of sound is inputting from each speaker. If it says stereo you might not have a TV that can pass through a 5.1 signal.
    Just done some more reading up on this and I really hope my TV does support pass-through otherwise I'll have to buy an optical switch, which while cheap, is an annoying layer I don't want to have to deal with. My TV is a Samsung 59" but is 6/7 years old. Annoyingly I built my stud wall to accommodate this specific TV and it seems like 59" is a rare size for modern TVs so getting a new one to replace it might be tricky. Plus an extra expense, but then I am balls deep now.

    Edited by HairyArse at 15:15:54 04-04-2019
  • You-can-call-me-kal 4 Apr 2019 13:53:15 17,166 posts
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    Hmmm. I would mentally prepare yourself for the worst. You could be in for a nice surprise but Samsung didn't use to be great for it. When I was getting a new TV about five years ago I avoided them because most didn't pass through.

    There's a useful resource here but it doesn't go back that far.

    https://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/5-1-surround-audio-passthrough
  • You-can-call-me-kal 4 Apr 2019 13:54:47 17,166 posts
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    A cheaper/easier alternative to a new TV if you are committed to a Sonos set up might be to see if you can part exchange your Playbar for a Beam, or you might even find a Beam owner who would swap you as technically the Playbar is better.

    Plenty of people on AV forums have switches though and I don't think it's that much of a ballache.
  • nickthegun 4 Apr 2019 14:05:12 78,749 posts
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    The beam uses HDMI ARC (as well as optical), which I can't imagine the TV would support either.
  • UncleLou Moderator 4 Apr 2019 14:06:07 40,158 posts
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    On a sidenote, I am using just a Beam (no rears) with my TV right now, and I never quite understood which audio setting I should use on the PS4. Linear PCM? Dolby Digital Bitstream? Does it even matter?

    And what if I also use rears? Should the PS4 or the Beam do the processing?

    This is all quite complicated.
  • nickthegun 4 Apr 2019 14:10:27 78,749 posts
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    Linear PCM is stereo, Dolby Bitstream is...well... Dolby so is 5.1.
  • UncleLou Moderator 4 Apr 2019 14:37:48 40,158 posts
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    I thought Linear PCM just means that the PS4 forwards the audio signal as is, without any processing. Might be stereo, might be 5.1.

    But maybe you're right, I don't know. In which case - what do I use for the Beam? Should I send Dolby 5.1 to it, and it will process it accordingly? Ir should I send only a stereo signal to it in the first place?
  • nickthegun 4 Apr 2019 14:56:48 78,749 posts
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    PCM definitely only outputted stereo sound when I was setting mine up. I only get surround when Dolby is enabled in the settings on the PS4.

    It puts out 5.1 to the TV, the TV passes the signal directly to the Sonos and surround happens.

    I think you may be over complicating this a bit!
  • AaronTurner 4 Apr 2019 18:42:25 11,268 posts
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    Do you have an arc hdmi port free on the TV for the Beam? If so the TV should pass the Dolby signal straight through the HDMI. Set the PS4 to Dolby output.
  • AaronTurner 4 Apr 2019 18:42:26 11,268 posts
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    Do you have an arc hdmi port free on the TV for the Beam? If so the TV should pass the Dolby signal straight through the HDMI. Set the PS4 to Dolby output.
  • HairyArse 4 Apr 2019 18:51:45 1,310 posts
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    So Xbox to Playbar direct via optical works great and I can immediately hear the difference. Netflix on Xbox also works well. The problem is my Xbox Headset uses optical so if I go that way Iíll need a switch. Itís also awkward having a firestick go through the Xbox. Firestick needed for my IPTV football streaming service.

    Thereís a setting on my tv for audio output that has PCM or Dolby Digital. Initially DD was greyed out but I eventually learned that if you set everything on Xbox to manual instead of auto HDMI this setting is enabled. I can set my Xbox output over HDMI to Bitstream or 5.1 but when I set the latter, bizarrely I only hear the rear audio out of the front soundbar.

    I suspect kal is right and maybe I need a beam but the fact my tv does have a Dolby Digital output setting means Iíve not given up all hope just yet. Really I want to everything to go through optical passed through my tv. I donít want to turn my Xbox on to Netflix etc.
  • HairyArse 4 Apr 2019 18:54:26 1,310 posts
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    Oh and obviously what I thought was surround last night was the fake surround because the genuine is night and day different.
  • HairyArse 4 Apr 2019 18:56:32 1,310 posts
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    Fucking minefield though isnít it. It gets really granular being able to choose different outputs for hdmi and optical. And Iím still not really sure what bitstream and PCM are.
  • HairyArse 4 Apr 2019 19:46:09 1,310 posts
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    Or I can buy one of these and just convert all audio from my hdmi devices to optical.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B073TXX3KV/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_OcLPCbAD1HM9D
  • You-can-call-me-kal 4 Apr 2019 20:15:55 17,166 posts
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    HairyArse wrote:
    Fucking minefield though isnít it. It gets really granular being able to choose different outputs for hdmi and optical. And Iím still not really sure what bitstream and PCM are.
    Bitstream basically does nothing so letís your sound system do the deciding. PCM does the deciding first then sends it. PCM can do more than two channels over optical though so you always want to use bitstream or ideally set to Dolby Digital if you can.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 4 Apr 2019 20:16:23 17,166 posts
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    Decoding, not deciding...
  • Dougs 4 Apr 2019 22:17:52 90,559 posts
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    Kind of works too imo!

    I'd kind of forgotten about the whole pass through thing. My TV doesn't even do ARC I don't think! So yeah, on balance a receiver was definitely the best option for me.
  • erasr 4 Apr 2019 22:27:57 332 posts
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    PCM all the way! Uncompressed and perfect.
  • HairyArse 5 Apr 2019 08:43:09 1,310 posts
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    Kalel was right. I'm going to have to swap the Play Bar for a Beam. I can make it work for me with an hdmi>optical switcher but this means that I'll have to constantly swap out the optical connector on my Xbox to switch between headset and speakers and while it's not that big a deal, I don't want to spend all this money and have to compromise in any way.

    With a Beam it'll all go through HDMI and I won't need a switch nor have to swap inputs. Which is a shame as the Playbar looks better in my setup.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 5 Apr 2019 08:49:55 17,166 posts
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    Just make sure you have HDMI ARC...

    Bet you wish you hadnít bothered now! 😂
  • HairyArse 5 Apr 2019 11:07:36 1,310 posts
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    Yes and no. It's been a hassle, but I got a Playbar, Subwoofer 2 and Play:3 for £900, so even having to buy a Beam brand new for £400 I've still got more than a good deal.
  • You-can-call-me-kal 5 Apr 2019 11:16:13 17,166 posts
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    Again. Please make sure you have ARC before you buy a Beam.
  • HairyArse 5 Apr 2019 11:17:01 1,310 posts
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    Yeah I'm gonna go and check at lunchtime. It fucking better had.
  • UncleLou Moderator 5 Apr 2019 11:19:52 40,158 posts
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    My middle-of-the-road Sony LCD from 5 years or so ago has ARC, if that gives you any hope.
  • HairyArse 5 Apr 2019 11:21:31 1,310 posts
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    Just found the model number saved on my phone. No ARC support. FFS.

    I guess I'm in the market for a new TV, then. Except noone seems to make 59" TVs anymore.

    This has gone well :D
  • askew 5 Apr 2019 11:26:30 19,958 posts
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    Oh no! What travails!
  • nickthegun 5 Apr 2019 11:30:07 78,749 posts
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    You might be in luck. If your TV is old enough to have a bezel, it might be pretty similar in size to a 60" without one.
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