Digital Photography Expert? Have a look at these...

  • pjmaybe 13 Jul 2004 11:44:57 70,666 posts
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    (Ignore the subject matter, though this might explain what borked my camera!)

    Pic 1
    Pic 2

    Nothing unusual right? OK look again, with the anomaly shown..

    Pic 1 with anomaly
    Pic 2 with anomaly

    Would any experts here say that's a borked CCD? Be aware that this shows up on both the back of the camera (display) AND in any images. No marks on the lens, or anything like that...

    Any help appreciated.

    Peej

    Edited by pjmaybe at 10:45:13 13-07-2004
  • Mike_Hunt 13 Jul 2004 11:50:11 23,524 posts
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    I don't know much about the anomaly. However you should post pic1 to the messy desk competition website that was linked two a couple of days ago!

    [MH]
  • cyk 13 Jul 2004 11:50:13 306 posts
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    It looks like a hot pixel. I think my mate has the same problem with his Canon A40. Its similar to the problem with some TFT's. It should be easy enough to clean up with Photoshop.
  • lost_soul 13 Jul 2004 11:51:34 9,372 posts
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    I had that problem with my old digital camera. I assumed it was a dead element on the CCD, but it started working again after a couple of weeks.
  • TennesseeStiff 13 Jul 2004 11:58:03 372 posts
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    Apart from the anomaly, both pictures are quite noisy. What camera is it and what ISO were these taken at?
  • UncleLou Moderator 13 Jul 2004 11:58:05 40,723 posts
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    Is there a manufacturing tolerance for hot pixels?

    Never noticed one on my pics, but I better not start searching thoroughly. ;-)
  • Day 13 Jul 2004 11:59:47 319 posts
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    Yeah I reccon it is...

    I had a Fuji 602 Zoom which took images with marks on like that...

    I even sent the images to Fuji who confirmed it was a fault with the camera. Sent the camera back to the retailer in the end and was sent another one with the same problem but the mark in a different location...

    Got a Konica Minolta Z2 now and well happy with it...
  • Deleted user 13 July 2004 12:05:26
    Peej, if you have a warranty on that camera you could get it fixed/replaced. If the pixel is in the same position it's definitely a hot pixel. The clone tool in Photoshop will deal with it in 1 second though.
  • gizmo 13 Jul 2004 12:06:47 2,100 posts
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    That is very odd.

    None of my pictures have flying red doughnuts on them.
  • pjmaybe 13 Jul 2004 12:14:01 70,666 posts
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    /was waiting for the "flying red donuts" comment.

    Seriously the camera's about 2 days old so just "coping" with it and sorting images out in photoshop isn't an option really. It's like having a tiny scratch on your brand new car. No one else can see it, you can and you know it's there and it just fucks the thing up for you.

    Anyway it's gone back, and I should be getting a replacement..I did break my own rule of thumb with the camera which was "never spend more than a couple of hundred on tech goods!" - But I thought it was a decent enough camera...!

    images are noisy/pixellated because they were 1.3 second exposures (ie open the camera up, and shoot. No autofocus or anything flashy)

    Peej
  • ssuellid 13 Jul 2004 12:30:03 19,142 posts
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    Read the warrenty and see if dead pixels or stuck pixels are covered.
  • pjmaybe 13 Jul 2004 12:54:26 70,666 posts
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    Well the thing's 2 days old so it should be covered by the seller (Bought it from Amazon and basically if the goods are faulty, they're obligated to provide a replacement or a refund within 30 days...)

    I'm just paranoid I'm going to get my brand spanking new replacement and there'll be fucked pixels somewhere else. Being a digicam noob I didn't know this was common (typically most of the cheapo cameras I've looked at, and even my shitty old HP 120 doesn't have this prob).

    Annoying though innit...

    /gnashes corner of desk

    Peej
  • gizmo 13 Jul 2004 13:04:39 2,100 posts
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    Dead pixels really bug me - I know exactly what you mean. I think I heard somewhere that the industry accepted level is 2 pixels dead on a given device? Each time I have a new laptop/digital camera/anything with an lcd/ccd device I am like a cat on a hot tin roof until I check it out!
  • scitzoid-pingu 13 Jul 2004 13:48:38 786 posts
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    Mike_Hunt wrote:
    I don't know much about the anomaly. However you should post pic1 to the messy desk competition website that was linked two a couple of days ago!

    [MH]

    You cheeky Mike_Hunt!

    /Oooh! see what I did there!

    It's not messy it's organised chaos. Will have to make it worse before I leave.
  • Mike_Hunt 13 Jul 2004 13:51:21 23,524 posts
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    scitzoid pingu wrote:
    Mike_Hunt wrote:
    I don't know much about the anomaly. However you should post pic1 to the messy desk competition website that was linked two a couple of days ago!

    [MH]

    You cheeky Mike_Hunt!

    /Oooh! see what I did there!

    It's not messy it's organised chaos. Will have to make it worse before I leave.
    Oh is that Mr Pingu sitting at the desk?

    Would that be your password that's written on the postit note taped to the side of your PC?

    [MH]
  • Tiger_Walts 13 Jul 2004 13:51:53 16,674 posts
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    Ah, the old 'volcano' filing system, the newest material to surface is deposited on the top.
  • pjmaybe 13 Jul 2004 13:55:38 70,666 posts
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    gizmo wrote:
    Dead pixels really bug me - I know exactly what you mean. I think I heard somewhere that the industry accepted level is 2 pixels dead on a given device? Each time I have a new laptop/digital camera/anything with an lcd/ccd device I am like a cat on a hot tin roof until I check it out!

    I can believe that about display systems but on a CCD it's entirely unacceptable.

    It's annoyed me enough to make me consider chucking in digital photography and going back to film if the replacement camera I get is similarly fucked.

    Not a happy bunny today. Damned annoying thing is that the bloody camera was excellent apart from that. Best digicam I've used by a long way.

    Peej
  • mal 13 Jul 2004 13:58:26 29,326 posts
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    TennesseeStiff wrote:
    Apart from the anomaly, both pictures are quite noisy. What camera is it and what ISO were these taken at?
    I'd put most of the noise down to JPEG compression. The artifacts are quite noticable in a number of places.
  • pjmaybe 13 Jul 2004 13:59:44 70,666 posts
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    mal wrote:
    TennesseeStiff wrote:
    Apart from the anomaly, both pictures are quite noisy. What camera is it and what ISO were these taken at?
    I'd put most of the noise down to JPEG compression. The artifacts are quite noticable in a number of places.

    Yep - Photobucket does some further compressing. The original images are huge and reduce quite well until you start doing horrible things to make them a uniform size on a page.

    Anyhoo, some of the B/W stuff I took last night was breathtaking. So you can understand why I'm gutted the thing had to go back.

    Peej
  • Mike_Hunt 13 Jul 2004 14:00:10 23,524 posts
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    You want a camera that has a TIFF option...


    ...and takes 20 seconds to save a photo! ;)

    [MH]
  • unwashed 13 Jul 2004 14:35:26 1,857 posts
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    God yes, TIFF. My Nikon Coolpix 885 does that, at full size it takes at least 30 seconds to save the image, and IIRC I can get about twenty on a 256Mb card... :/
  • Mike_Hunt 13 Jul 2004 14:43:27 23,524 posts
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    Yeah. It's crazy, but the do look good. Mine creates a 9.2MB file. So you can hardly take a lot.

    [MH]
  • Shadrach 13 Jul 2004 15:23:09 1,878 posts
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    I'd say it was probably a ghost. Or magic. Or a magic ghost.
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