US calls NHS "evil" Page 5

  • gang_of_bitches 13 Aug 2009 13:31:08 5,707 posts
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    Lutz wrote:
    NHS ain't free either.

    National Insurance anyone?

    Long term unemployed anyone?
  • X201 13 Aug 2009 13:31:39 22,150 posts
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    cubbymoore wrote:
    I want to see a House episode where that Bertie Wooster fella can't solve a case cos the patient has insufficient cover.

    Scrubs covered it a couple of times during its more sober moments, made it even more shocking when it was following on from a joke.
  • Vice.Destroyer 13 Aug 2009 13:49:18 7,437 posts
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    RetardStrong wrote:
    IDK, they seem to have crossed the line of common decensy a long time ago. I was reading a newspaper during lunch and I really had to stop reading at one point. 5 year olds carrying around 'Obama lies, granny dies' signs. I mean FFS.

    I know. I saw a picture in the guardian that actually made me angry. A bunch of protesters with placards. And one of these guys had a poster of Obama, with a Hitler moustache. And this demonstrator was BLACK.

    I just couldn't shake this imagery out of my head. America with its long history of being the home of the free and the land of the slave, and now having the most important job in the country held by a black man.

    And then a person that disagrees with his proposed policies, pulls out a placard, defaces Obama with the visual trademark of virtually the most racist man in world history? (And if you want to be really picky, the german healthcare system at the time was a damn sight better than the american one). I hope that guy gets an illness which will not be paid by his insurance because of a pre-existing condition. And I would love for him to then argue that a 'socialist, like russia's' healthcare system would be bad for america.
  • gang_of_bitches 13 Aug 2009 13:51:41 5,707 posts
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    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    RetardStrong wrote:
    IDK, they seem to have crossed the line of common decensy a long time ago. I was reading a newspaper during lunch and I really had to stop reading at one point. 5 year olds carrying around 'Obama lies, granny dies' signs. I mean FFS.

    I know. I saw a picture in the guardian that actually made me angry. A bunch of protesters with placards. And one of these guys had a poster of Obama, with a Hitler moustache. And this demonstrator was BLACK.

    I just couldn't shake this imagery out of my head. America with its long history of being the home of the free and the land of the slave, and now having the most important job in the country held by a black man.

    And then a person that disagrees with his proposed policies, pulls out a placard, defaces Obama with the visual trademark of virtually the most racist man in world history? (And if you want to be really picky, the german healthcare system at the time was a damn sight better than the american one). I hope that guy gets an illness which will not be paid by his insurance because of a pre-existing condition. And I would love for him to then argue that a 'socialist, like russia's' healthcare system would be bad for america.

    So all black people have to agree with all other black people? Is that your point?
  • Vice.Destroyer 13 Aug 2009 13:53:43 7,437 posts
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    No, gang of bitches. That would mean that I thought that all black people are idiots. I am just saying that there is a level of respect that black people should have (in an ideal world. Don't tell me about black on black violence) and that picture crossed a line that I found hard to swallow.
  • gang_of_bitches 13 Aug 2009 13:59:35 5,707 posts
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    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    No, gang of bitches. That would mean that I thought that all black people are idiots. I am just saying that there is a level of respect that black people should have (in an ideal world. Don't tell me about black on black violence) and that picture crossed a line that I found hard to swallow.

    Sorry, I was being a bit of a twat, but I really don't think mentioning a protester's colour helped your point, they're cunts plain and simple.
  • Vice.Destroyer 13 Aug 2009 14:03:17 7,437 posts
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    Fair point. some of the protesters, regardless of colour, have gone way, way, way past the line. That fella was the first picture I saw, where I was actually left speechless.

    But you're right. I should see the world in a more colour-blind fashion. Point taken.
  • Deleted user 13 August 2009 16:11:19
    Oh I really hope this is still going on Monday.
  • BabyJesus 13 Aug 2009 19:20:00 4,412 posts
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    Ohhh I got a reply from David Camerons office
  • BabyJesus 13 Aug 2009 19:20:25 4,412 posts
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    Dear Anthony,



    I am writing on behalf of David Cameron to thank you for your e-mail.



    It is good of you to have taken the trouble to get in touch.



    There are millions of people who are grateful for the care they have received from the NHS. It does them and the NHS a disservice for Daniel Hannan to give Americans such a negative and partial view. That we can access healthcare free at point of use, based on need, is something others envy. Our task is to ensure that the quality of care is consistently excellent, and that the service is efficient and responsive to patients. Choice, competition and information, focused on outcomes, will deliver this.



    Thank you, once again, for writing to David.



    Yours sincerely,

    Alice Sheffield



    Office of David Cameron MP

    House of Commons

    London SW1A 0AA
  • BabyJesus 13 Aug 2009 19:33:08 4,412 posts
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    Yep, I'd encourage anyone else to contact Cameron's office aswell, to make sure Hannan gets a bollocking, for getting involved in other nations domestic debates and for lying like a cunt.
  • Deleted user 13 August 2009 19:34:56
    The NHS is great, Im self employed & don't earn all that much, I have something wrong with my knee (not quite sure what) but, at the moment I'm getting a packet of tablets worth £60 every week for nothing.. I wouldn't be able to afford £60 a week or private health insurance & without the tablets I can hardly walk some days... So yeah.. I wouldn't say they are "evil"

    The hospitals can be shit though & there are long waiting lists for stuff.. but it just depends on where you are in the country.. I'd rather wait 6 months for an op than get myself into debt like they do in america.
  • Hunam 13 Aug 2009 19:39:48 20,675 posts
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    I depends on the hospitals. My local hospital is fine, but some of the inner city ones might as well just not bother. Then you have Staffs hospital which seems to actively murder people.

    It seems like it's a per hospital problem than anything else.
  • Deleted user 13 August 2009 19:42:03
    When my dad was in hospital last Christmas, he had nothing but praise for the NHS, and knowing how hard it is to get him to praise anything they must have been good.

    He was well looked after, and made a great recovery what could have been at his age something life threatening.

    He was lucky in that the illness he had (double pneumonia), was a speciality of the hospital that is local, maybe something else he wouldn't have been.
  • Deleted user 13 August 2009 19:45:54
    Wahey! Hospitals murdering people!
  • Deleted user 13 August 2009 19:51:44
    Hunam wrote:
    I depends on the hospitals. My local hospital is fine, but some of the inner city ones might as well just not bother. Then you have Staffs hospital which seems to actively murder people.

    It seems like it's a per hospital problem than anything else.

    I couldn't agree more. I used to live in a largish City & the hospital there was, well tbh, crap, & there was always a long wait at the GP's

    I now live In a much smaller town, we have two Gp's & one very small hospital. There fantasic though, I can book an appointment at my GP's a week or so in advance (something I could never do before) & when I needed an operation on my knee I was refered to the speicalist at the hospital within a week & then had the op a week later.
  • Syrette 13 Aug 2009 19:58:28 51,181 posts
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    Feanor wrote:
    Hunam wrote:
    I depends on the hospitals. My local hospital is fine, but some of the inner city ones might as well just not bother. Then you have Staffs hospital which seems to actively murder people.

    It seems like it's a per hospital problem than anything else.

    Britain has a hospital run by dogs?

    That would be a laugh.

    I'd trust a dog in the operating theatre more than I would a cat, that's for sure.
  • Deleted user 14 August 2009 01:59:59
    Ok. You go first, I say go for Rhode Island first, it's small.
  • Hunam 14 Aug 2009 02:03:12 20,675 posts
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    That'll be like Ireland taking the Isle of Man, we'd just pretend it was never there.
  • Deleted user 14 August 2009 02:05:48
    Then the doughnut factory. OH YES I WENT THERE.
  • Genji 14 Aug 2009 02:08:17 19,682 posts
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    Enter from Mexico. They'll never suspect someone actually invading from there.
  • Hunam 14 Aug 2009 02:10:08 20,675 posts
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    You fucking kidding? The first place we'll get to will be Texas, we'd be outgunned even if everyone in the country had two guns each and was just taking a single village.
  • Genji 14 Aug 2009 02:11:51 19,682 posts
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    That is when you encourage the Texans to secede from the rest of the country and join you on your crusade. Hell, they've talked about doing it before.

    Of course, you can dump them once the need for an army lessens.
  • FWB 14 Aug 2009 08:37:17 56,369 posts
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    Really is amazing how you're allowed to blatantly lie in the US media.
  • Lutz 14 Aug 2009 08:47:09 48,870 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    Really is amazing how you're allowed to blatantly lie in the US media.
    Constitutional right to free speech baby!

    ...

    Cunts.
  • Deleted user 14 August 2009 09:14:17
    An American's experience of the NHS. One of the best written pieces I've read about the whole debacle.
  • Deleted user 14 August 2009 09:30:12
    Hardball interview. A classic bit of pulling apart an argument bit by bit till even the woman who put forth the argument doesn't really know what to say. But, done in the most civil manner possible.
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