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BinaryBob101 27,756 posts
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It also got a good write up in Variety as well. I'd link it but I'm on my iPhone so can't be arsed. -
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BinaryBob101 27,756 posts
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The Avatar of its time. Clichéd but decent enough plot about a chosen white guy whose job it is to save a planet of oppressed people, both feature some corny but sympathetic new age philosophy, both have a distinct visual look and action scenes which are the most memorable things about them. Avatar, which was rubbish, is better though because the Matrix's "techno goth" idea of cool is much more irritating than Avatar's smurfs. Plus Avatar spends most of it visual innovations on cool animals and trippy space plants, which I find more interesting than Matrix's innovations on gun and kung fu action scenes.
I watched The Matrix again last year and it was kind of unbearable to be honest. I recognise the cool stuff it did at the time but I never want to see it or hear about it again ever nevermind watch a Charlie Kaufman-esque take on it. Charlie Kaufman is the worst human being alive.
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cozeny wrote:
The Avatar of its time. Clich√¢à ö√Ç©d but decent enough plot about a chosen white guy whose job it is to save a planet of oppressed people, both feature some corny but sympathetic new age philosophy, both have a distinct visual look and action scenes which are the most memorable things about them. Avatar, which was rubbish, is better though because the Matrix's "techno goth" idea of cool is much more irritating than Avatar's smurfs. Plus Avatar spends most of it visual innovations on cool animals and trippy space plants, which I find more interesting than Matrix's innovations on gun and kung fu action scenes.
I watched The Matrix again last year and it was kind of unbearable to be honest. I recognise the cool stuff it did at the time but I never want to see it or hear about it again ever nevermind watch a Charlie Kaufman-esque take on it. Charlie Kaufman is the worst human being alive.
Edited by cozeny at 16:55:22 06-07-2010
I kind of agree. As an 18 year old I thought the Matrix was brilliantly clever. As a 29 year Philosophy Postgraduate I find it painfully unwa -
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I kind of agree. As an 18 year old I found the Matrix brilliantly clever. As a 29 year old philosophy postgraduate, I find it painfully pretentious. -
BinaryBob101 27,756 posts
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Also Charile Kaufman is the worst human being alive? Lol, cozeny. Now that's just a troll!.gif)
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BinaryBob101 27,756 posts
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Pac-man-ate-my-wife 7,087 posts
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Registered 18 years agoIt's no more pretentious than Star Wars and "The Force". It ain't pretending to be Philosophy 101, it's just a grab-bag of ideas wrapped around a great action film. -
FutureDave 535 posts
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Registered 12 years agoI still think the original Matrix is a great film. Looking forward to Inception too. -
Pac-man ate my wife wrote:
It's no more pretentious than Star Wars and "The Force". It ain't pretending to be Philosophy 101, it's just a grab-bag of ideas wrapped around a great action film.
Not quite sure it's just a grab bag of ideas. They attempted some sort of thesis.
Star Wars is genuinely too stupid to be philosophically pretentious. It certainly attempts to allude to Eastern Mysticism and Zen Buddhism, but mostly from the aspirational perspective of 1970s California. -
BinaryBob101 27,756 posts
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Registered 12 years agoWhy is it bad to add a little more depth to proceedings than your normal blockbuster though? I mean, it just comes off as being a bit overly critical really. Would you rather they'd gone the whole way and made a deep philisophical arthouse film? -
M83J01P97 7,607 posts
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Registered 14 years agoA lot of people are pointing out how refreshingly unpretentious Inception is considering it's topic.
It apparently has no Memento/Prestige style twist or wtf moment, it's just a straightforward action film with a deeply original concept and execution. -
BinaryBob101 wrote:
Why is it bad to add a little more depth to proceedings than your normal blockbuster though? I mean, it just comes off as being a bit overly critical really. Would you rather they'd gone the whole way and made a deep philisophical arthouse film?
My point with the Matrix is that the Philosophical argument is more eager A-level student than anything else - not as clever as it thinks it is.
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M83J01P97 7,607 posts
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BinaryBob101 wrote:
Why is it bad to add a little more depth to proceedings than your normal blockbuster though? I mean, it just comes off as being a bit overly critical really. Would you rather they'd gone the whole way and made a deep philisophical arthouse film?
My point with the Matrix is that the Philosophical argument is more eager A-level student than anything else - not as clever as it thinks it is.
As an action movie, on the other hand, it still holds up very well.
To be fair, it was only the sequels that went over-board with the philosophical nonsense. The first film gets the balance perfectly right. -
trip919 2,348 posts
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M83J01P97 wrote:
Luckyjim wrote:
BinaryBob101 wrote:
Why is it bad to add a little more depth to proceedings than your normal blockbuster though? I mean, it just comes off as being a bit overly critical really. Would you rather they'd gone the whole way and made a deep philisophical arthouse film?
My point with the Matrix is that the Philosophical argument is more eager A-level student than anything else - not as clever as it thinks it is.
As an action movie, on the other hand, it still holds up very well.
To be fair, it was only the sequels that went over-board with the philosophical nonsense. The first film gets the balance perfectly right.
You're probably right there. The 2nd and 3rd are awful.
Still, looking forward to Inception.
I wonder if Paprika was any inspiration for it. -
ProfessorLesser 19,693 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI also thought of Paprika on seeing the trailer - now there's a film I want to watch again soon!
Can't believe it's been put here that Avatar > Matrix. Silly poster. -
Paprika has some of the best animation I've ever seen. It's literally jaw-dropping at points. -
M83J01P97 7,607 posts
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Registered 14 years agoAs much as I enjoyed Paprika, did anyone actually 'get' the film?
It came across as one of those anime films that there was no point in trying to understand. -
It was a bit wishy-washy but I was content only understanding 90% of it. -
BinaryBob101 27,756 posts
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Registered 12 years agoOh, not heard of Paprika before, I'll need to track this one down. -
ProfessorLesser 19,693 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThe script is a bit disappointing in Paprika, but everything else about it is brilliant. If only you could combine the pace, style and excitement of Paprika with the story and finesse of Millennium Actress. -
Paprika's great. I just finished Sky Crawlers which was "pretentious" too i.e. you may have to think about it a bit.
Arguing about the philosophy to the Matrix when it's just a good backbone to an interesting story? Geddoudatown. -
faux-C 11,204 posts
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squarejawhero wrote:
Paprika's great. I just finished Sky Crawlers which was "pretentious" too i.e. you may have to think about it a bit.
Arguing about the philosophy to the Matrix when it's just a good backbone to an interesting story? Geddoudatown.
A film you have to think about is not pretentious (they're usually my favourite films); a film that thinks it's making you think about it is pretentious.
The story is average in the Matrix. It's the action sequences, set design, direction and cinematography that still impresses. -
Good job this is an Inception thread then.
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