MacOS X 'Finder'

  • Blerk Moderator 29 Jul 2004 11:00:32 48,222 posts
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    At the risk of incurring the wrath of the Mac Mafia....

    Who the blazes designed this thing? It's awful! I've never used anything so downright awkward and unintuitive in my entire life!

    /pines for Mac OS 9.2
  • Nemesis 29 Jul 2004 11:01:30 20,312 posts
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    Really?

    It'll all change for Tiger. I quite like it, find it dead easy. What's the problem?
  • Angel_Treats 29 Jul 2004 11:02:55 11,070 posts
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    I never used OS9 at all, due to a brief hiatus when I was using a PC, but I much prefer OS X to OS 8.6 which is what I was using before.

    What don't you like about it Blerk?
  • Blerk Moderator 29 Jul 2004 11:09:34 48,222 posts
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    I don't like icons. I want to see 'details' in all my windows. I never want to see icons. Will it let me do that? No. I have to change each folder individually.

    In the 'details' view there's no indication of 'where' I am in the directory structure, I have to switch to the God-awful 'column' view where everything is too narrow to see full filenames... and now I've lost my 'details' too.

    Why can't I put the 'enclosing folder' option on the toolbar?

    And about a million other things. Grr.
  • eviltobz  29 Jul 2004 13:30:37 2,609 posts
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    i'm afraid i have to agree with blerk here to some extent. its got some reasonable stuff about it, i just can't think what at the moment, but it is just soooooooo not windows explorer.
  • TennesseeStiff 29 Jul 2004 14:18:17 372 posts
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    I don't like the Finder at all. Or I should say, there is a lot I don't like about the finder.

    There are in fact a couple of things about OSX UI or the way it dos things that are obviously inferior to the way Windows dos it.

    My other big problem with finder is how long it takes to update itself! And there isn't even the kludge of pressing F5 like there is in windows.

    I still think, when you look at everything as a whole, that OSX is a better OS than XP, but it the difference isn't as great as some people make out.

    Edited by TennesseeStiff at 13:18:30 29-07-2004

    Edited by TennesseeStiff at 13:18:47 29-07-2004
  • CerealKey 29 Jul 2004 14:24:07 2,860 posts
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    The only thing that really annoys me about it is the fact that it doesn't shut down programs even if you've told it to.

    I mean, if I press the red off switch, I want it switched off. Don't leave the program running but without a window there.

    But that's all. I'm not really a power user.

    And if you are really looking for something wire it up to your PC and use your PC to search the directory structure.
  • eviltobz  29 Jul 2004 14:33:25 2,609 posts
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    hopefully the searching stuff should improve with the release of tiger and the whole metadata filesystem jobby.
  • GrandTheftApu 29 Jul 2004 14:36:38 6,117 posts
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    CerealKey wrote:
    And if you are really looking for something wire it up to your PC and use your PC to search the directory structure.

    I find that OS X search function is way quicker than XP, especially on large volumes or network drives.

    Plus it doesn't have that wanky dog.
  • Blerk Moderator 29 Jul 2004 14:42:14 48,222 posts
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    Is there not a replacement 'file navigator' thingy you can download for OS X?
  • eviltobz  29 Jul 2004 14:49:53 2,609 posts
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    blerk - theres a windows explorer copy that i got on the cover of some mac magazine, aint got around to trying it out yet. have a looksee on versiontracker or download.com. i think the one i saw went under the imaginative title of mac explorer.

    gta - it wasn't actually the search that i was thinking was so slow, its getting the properties on a folder, if theres a reasonable few sub folders and whatnot it can just go fucking mentally slow. like they'd gone back to 68000 processors and floppy drives type slow. whilst simultaneously running seti@home. and giving seti priority.
  • GrandTheftApu 29 Jul 2004 14:53:12 6,117 posts
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    Pathfinder seems to add some very useful features, such as buttons allowing you to navigate back up the directory structure. Not free though :-(
  • Pandora-Panorama 29 Jul 2004 16:39:22 55 posts
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    Blerk,
    the enclosing folder is up there in the border of the finder. You can click it (with i think it is alt held down) to see the path to this folder and navigate in there. Quite handy, i never use the column view.

    and:
    i don't have a mac handy, but i think there is an option where you can select one particular view for all finder windows.
  • TennesseeStiff 29 Jul 2004 16:55:31 372 posts
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  • TennesseeStiff 29 Jul 2004 16:57:54 372 posts
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    I like Pathfinder a lot.

    Plus it doesn't have that wanky dog.

    God that dog! Don't mention that dog ..... thank god for ">XPLite

    I'm really quite satisfied with XP, except for all the crap MS foists on you.
  • eviltobz  29 Jul 2004 17:03:31 2,609 posts
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    Pandora Panorama wrote:
    and:
    i don't have a mac handy, but i think there is an option where you can select one particular view for all finder windows.
    it seems to work more as a one particular view for most of the finder windows most of the time, usually, well, pretty often.
  • GrandTheftApu 29 Jul 2004 17:17:13 6,117 posts
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    Pandora Panorama wrote:
    Blerk,
    the enclosing folder is up there in the border of the finder. You can click it (with i think it is alt held down) to see the path to this folder and navigate in there. Quite handy, i never use the column view.

    Cool, that's v. handy. Hold the command (apple) key and click on the folder name on the finder title bar, and you can navigate back up the directory structure.

    Edited by GrandTheftApu at 16:17:48 29-07-2004
  • striker 29 Jul 2004 22:38:50 2,606 posts
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    I think the problem is that OSX doesn't really have a file manager as the Explorer in Windows.

    Finder is more like clicking the My Computer icon in the Windows desktop.
  • GrandTheftApu 29 Jul 2004 22:51:30 6,117 posts
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    Blerk wrote:
    Why can't I put the 'enclosing folder' option on the toolbar?

    You can actually, if you control click on the finder title bar and select 'customize' you can add an enclosing folder button to the toolbar.

    I wish they would copy wholesale the Be Os file management interface rather than just parts.
  • Shivoa 30 Jul 2004 04:49:46 6,314 posts
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    /click 'Mac HDD'

    /clicks movies

    /clicks a film

    /watches

    Personally I like the fact that I don't need to be a power user with OS X to just get to my stuff. Maybe I use WinXP differently but there I need to be able to have full HDD access to do things, on the Mac I find the shortcuts are about all I need thanks to the standardisation of locations (like Apps all being in a common folder AND ONLY THERE) and the globality of the shortcuts (unlike WinXP where most save dialogues are still old format and so without even a My Documents link).

    Surely there are many freeware file explorers for anyone who wants to browse the HDD as it is laid out? Not exactly the hardest app to write and it sounds like quite a standard 'side project for me that ended up as a big freeware app taking user feedback onboard to make it perfect' type things.
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    There are lots of tips and tricks to make Finder more usable, but ultimately I have to agree with Blerk... To me, the old Windows 3.1 File Manager will never be beat. :)
  • otto Moderator 28 May 2007 11:16:19 49,322 posts
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    Thinking about it, there are things that the Finder has that Win Explorer doesn't. I like the preview function, for example. Much better than Windows' thumbnails. And you can get all the details you need on files, using the column view. All in all though, I still prefer Windows Explorer, but that's probably because I spent so many years doing it that way.
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