If the Conservatives gave us a referendum on EU membership...

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  • boo 4 Nov 2009 09:50:29 13,512 posts
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    Just out of curiosity...

    With a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty not viable any more, the Conservatives may well hold one on some other aspect of the UK's relationship with the EU.

    If - and it's extremely unlikely - the question was:

    "Should the UK remain an EU member, or should it leave the EU?"

    (And leaving aside the technicalities of whether the UK could actually remove itself from the EU)

    Which way would you vote?

    I think we can take as read what Otto would say, just wondered what the split was for everyone else? I'm assuming that this is a fairly pro-European crowd.
  • boo 4 Nov 2009 09:51:33 13,512 posts
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    Doh!

    Of?

    On!

    Can someone fix the thread title please!
  • MetalDog 4 Nov 2009 09:51:35 24,076 posts
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    Definitely stay. The EU seems a damn sight more interested in my human rights than the British Government ever has.
  • modo_komodo 4 Nov 2009 09:58:22 1,197 posts
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    I get the suspicion that EU sceptics in the government are more worried about losing their power than they are about the effect it has on the country.
  • Deleted user 4 November 2009 09:58:22
    Stay. It's all just so bloody handy.
  • BabyJesus 4 Nov 2009 09:59:59 4,412 posts
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    Stay, for trade links yadda yadda etc etc
  • otto Moderator 4 Nov 2009 10:02:36 49,322 posts
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    Reporting on this story has been predictably diabolical. "OH NOES Britain ceases to be a sovereign independent country!?1!%!"

    /speaking to the people who write the drivel that passes for reporting in British newspapers

    1. Have you read the Lisbon Treaty??

    2. Do you understand what sovereignty and independence actually mean in the modern context?

    3. Do you have the first clue about your own history?

    4. Could you kindly fuck off and die you miserable Fleet Street hacks and scumbag rentaquote Tory morons?

    (Just venting on my pain after listening to the Today Programme, boo, sorry for derailing.)
  • glaeken 4 Nov 2009 10:03:22 12,026 posts
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    modo_komodo wrote:
    I get the suspicion that EU sceptics in the government are more worried about losing their power than they are about the effect it has on the country.

    I am pretty sure that is all its ever been. It's not about the interests of the UK its about the interests of those in power in the UK and not losing any of the power they have.

    Personally I don't see the difference if the corrupt people who rule us sit in Westminster or Brussels but I do favour humanity being ruled by as few a governments as possible so anything that moves us towards that new world order single government gets my vote.
  • chopsen 4 Nov 2009 10:10:18 20,499 posts
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    I think we should stay, but

    otto wrote:
    1. Have you read the Lisbon Treaty??

    Can't help feeling the pro-european polititians/eu/whoever did a terrible job of explaining it. I tried reading it (and I've been know to have fleeting moments where I'm not a total idiot) and could not hack it.
  • Tomo 4 Nov 2009 10:11:35 16,567 posts
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    Stay fo' sho
  • boo 4 Nov 2009 10:11:52 13,512 posts
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    otto wrote:
    (Just venting on my pain after listening to the Today Programme, boo, sorry for derailing.)

    I lean towards the Eurosceptic, but that Conservative muppet they had on this morning may as well have being shouting 'We're DOOMED, we're all DOOMED!'
  • StarchildHypocrethes 4 Nov 2009 10:11:53 32,224 posts
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    I'd vote stay, but only because otto knows the area in which I live and I would never feel safe again.
  • Deleted user 4 November 2009 10:12:03
    Chopsen wrote:
    (and I've been know to have fleeting moments where I'm not a total idiot)
    \0/
  • DaM 4 Nov 2009 10:12:11 17,323 posts
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    Stay.
  • chopsen 4 Nov 2009 10:13:26 20,499 posts
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    That was not one of those moments.
  • Nasty 4 Nov 2009 10:17:33 4,825 posts
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    Leave. Kill the government. Create new world order.

    Or stay. Not fussed.
  • Retroid Moderator 4 Nov 2009 10:18:45 45,463 posts
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    Stay
  • DFawkes Friendliest Forumite, 2016 4 Nov 2009 10:18:46 32,229 posts
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    I'd stay, and I want the Euro so publishers don't attempt the old "weak pound" pish, even in periods when the pound is stronger than it's ever been. Plus I like the designs on the money.
  • Popzeus 4 Nov 2009 10:19:59 8,425 posts
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    Stop in, certainly. It's a shame the country seems to have taken such a flagwaving, Eurosceptic lurch recently - not least because now would be a very good time to join the single currency.
  • Dougs 4 Nov 2009 10:21:05 89,122 posts
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    Stay. We will be isolated without it, and would suffer with trade and inward investment.

    Like Chopsen, I've also tried to read it. And even as a policy maker myself, it baffled me.
  • Retroid Moderator 4 Nov 2009 10:21:11 45,463 posts
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    Popzeus wrote:
    Stop in, certainly. It's a shame the country seems to have taken such a flagwaving, Eurosceptic lurch recently - not least because now would be a very good time to join the single currency.
    "Recently"? O_o
  • StringBeanJean 4 Nov 2009 10:33:21 1,788 posts
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    On the other hand, the countries in Europe that have chosen to stay out of the EU don't do too badly.

    But I would stay.
  • modo_komodo 4 Nov 2009 10:35:12 1,197 posts
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    It's an interesting prospect isn't it.

    In the future when someone asks where you're from, you might say Europe.
  • ScoutTech 4 Nov 2009 10:38:40 2,428 posts
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    So is there a man on the street (ok, maybe slightly higher level than that!) guide to the treaty? Preferably not one that came free with the Sun?
  • TheSaint 4 Nov 2009 10:48:51 18,571 posts
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    Stay.

    Who wouldn't want to be ruled by an unelected President Blair?
  • Syrok Designer, Tarsier Studios 4 Nov 2009 10:49:33 14,104 posts
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    modo_komodo wrote:In the future when someone asks where you're from, you might say Europe.
    I already do. :)
  • chopsen 4 Nov 2009 10:51:15 20,499 posts
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    ScoutTech wrote:
    So is there a man on the street (ok, maybe slightly higher level than that!) guide to the treaty? Preferably not one that came free with the Sun?

    The conspiracy theorist would say that it is deliberately incomprehensible because if we did actually understand it, we'd reject it.

    /taps nose
  • Clive_Dunn 4 Nov 2009 10:53:14 4,862 posts
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    In situations like this I always ask myself "What would Nelson do ?"

    So the answer is -

    1) Kill the Frenchies.
    2) Roger the cabin boy.
  • Deleted user 4 November 2009 10:55:43
    TheSaint wrote:
    Who wouldn't want to be ruled by an unelected President Blair?
    ...

    Is it too late to change my vote. :(
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