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I'm sure the UK could survive just fine in isolation financially but in that case the EU would remain a big player on the world stage whereas the UK would be slightly marginalised. Would that be such a bad thing? |
If the Conservatives gave us a referendum on EU membership... • Page 4
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Fatnick 53 posts
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Hunam wrote:
I'm sure most Brits would prefer that. Does America want Britain though?
I think we should just join up with americaland. Fuck this europe shit, I want guns. -
Hunam 20,675 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI don't think they'd say no if we asked to join up as the 51st state tbh. -
I would. Soz. -
Right, I'll say one thing about this and one thing only. The conservatives are moronic fucking cunts.
That is all. -
Kami 2,711 posts
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Registered 19 years agoPolitics is a fucking mess these days... I think in a creepy way Guy Fawkes and his merry men had a good idea, just a few hundred years early... -
Dougs 100,414 posts
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Dougs 100,414 posts
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Registered 18 years agoGoddamn phone.
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Dougs 100,414 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI give up. Yes being marginalised would be a bad thing. -
grimmace 563 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI'm pro Europe, but I do find the creation of this 'bloc' stretches the legitimacy of tacit consent to breaking point.
On one hand I think its a crime that the public have had little say in the process other than picking one of the two main parties at general elections for well over 30 years.
On the other hand I'm convinced a referendum would result in a 'No' vote which would be a bad thing.
Anything that removes the artificial boundries of nation states is a good thing. History will judge our times badly.... -
History will judge this decade as one hell of a clusterfuck! -
Articulate-Troll 3,098 posts
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Registered 14 years agoIt's interesting how people are so paranoid about the EU but don't seem to care that we're also part of the UN and NATO - organisations that can dictate rules to us, yet we have no direct say in.
People don't don't seem to understand that being a member of something is not the same as being ruled by something. -
mcmonkeyplc wrote:
History will judge this decade as one hell of a clusterfuck!
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Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoArticulate-Troll wrote:
It's interesting how people are so paranoid about the EU but don't seem to care that we're also part of the UN and NATO - organisations that can dictate rules to us, yet we have no direct say in.
Muh?
NATO is purely military and the UN's rules are not exactly binding. Or did the whole Iraq war thing pass ya by? The UN has no ability to force members to abide by its resolutions, whereas the EU can already impose hefty fines on its members that infringe its rules. This will only increase in scope now.
I personally would feel a lot more satisfied with the EU if I knew what it's aims were and when it will stop growing internally. At what point will it cease to try and expand into the affairs of its member states, when will there be enough power to satisfy those in charge? -
It's late so I won't bother. But thy past paragraph is fucking full of it. Its aims? Those in charge? Internal growth? Fucking hell. -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoOh do STFU you mong. -
No but seriously- you know that what you said was absolute fucking balls so why would you say it? I've seen crazed skin head bnp supporters demonstrate more basic knowledge than that. You don't understand the aims. You're worried about "those in charge". The "internal growth" is worrying you. Surely there's a wiki on all this. -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoSo you honestly reckon the EU just spontaneously grows, that there's no plan, no roadmap? You don't think that there is any leadership or bureaucratic system? And even you must be able to grasp that the EU has been expanding internally for decades. If not, what exactly do you think the succession of treaties are about?
Really dude, just because you are ill equipped to engage in a discussion doesn't mean you need to let everyone know about it. -
Xerx3s 23,970 posts
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Registered 17 years agoYou mentioned wiki, this thread ends here. -
Xerx3s 23,970 posts
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Registered 17 years agoCosmicFuzz wrote:
Xerx3s wrote:
CosmicFuzz wrote:
Yeah they really need to be more transparent, especially with making clear just what each treaty actually does.
What, like with making it open for anyone to read, by giving short summaries? No, the real problem isn't so much transparency as it is the complete apathy of the populous to actually dig into the information at hand.
To be fair, can you really blame Ireland for voting against Lisbon the first time? The vast majority of the population had no idea what they were voting for and why they should do it. Communication from the EU to individuals in member states is shockingly bad - if they want a treaty passed, they shouldn't expect the general public to have to research themselves what it does. It's just bad politics.
Seriously, the information is one click away. Anyone willing, is able to find it. God forbid that people become proactive and actually getting informed instead of blaming others that they are not informed.
If you want to achieve something -and this obviously goes for everything- you need to do it yourself and not wait for others to do it for you. If you don't undertake steps to inform yourself, you can't complain about being ill informed. -
Seriously khani, you apparently don't have a fucking clue about the eu or you are just intent on being contentious for the sake of attention. Either way I'm not going to spend all night trying to type it all out for you on my phone. -
Xerx3s 23,970 posts
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Registered 17 years agomcmonkeyplc wrote:
History will judge this decade as one hell of a clusterfuck!
Yeah but it had some great games though so it's not a total loss. -
Xerx3s 23,970 posts
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Registered 17 years agomowgli wrote:
Seriously khani, you apparently don't have a fucking clue about the eu or you are just intent on being contentious for the sake of attention. Either way I'm not going to spend all night trying to type it all out for you on my phone.
It's 2 am, I think that you just did.
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Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoSo, it's too late for you to school me? Handy lol.
Why don't you go get a good nights kip and do it tomorrow then? I'll patiently await your explanation of how the EU works, of how it is unlike any other supranational body and how it all operates in a completely aimless fashion without the intervention of human beings. -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoHere are some direct questions to answer; maybe you can C&P them into google and get some 'answers':
1 - What is the purpose of the EU over the coming decades?
2 - Will the Lisbon Treaty be the final expansion and codification?
3 - What designs do those who run the EU, from the politicians to the career bureaucrats, have for its future?
I look forward to your rewording of the wikis. -
Articulate-Troll 3,098 posts
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Registered 14 years agoKhanivor wrote:
Articulate-Troll wrote:
It's interesting how people are so paranoid about the EU but don't seem to care that we're also part of the UN and NATO - organisations that can dictate rules to us, yet we have no direct say in.
Muh?
NATO is purely military and the UN's rules are not exactly binding. Or did the whole Iraq war thing pass ya by? The UN has no ability to force members to abide by its resolutions, whereas the EU can already impose hefty fines on its members that infringe its rules. This will only increase in scope now.
I personally would feel a lot more satisfied with the EU if I knew what it's aims were and when it will stop growing internally. At what point will it cease to try and expand into the affairs of its member states, when will there be enough power to satisfy those in charge?
My point is that the EU is a voluntary organisation. There is nothing stopping us ignoring what its rules are (and I'm fairly sure we have on a few occasions) in the same way that - even as members of the UN security council - we ignored the UN's advice and went to war in Iraq.
The EU may impose fines but only because we choose to pay the fines. If we we refuse what's going to happen? Nothing, because the EU has no actual power over our sovereign affairs. -
Khanivor 44,800 posts
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Registered 20 years agoThis is true and happens a fair bit as you mention. But do you honestly think that it will always be true, that the EU will not continue to expand till it reaches the point where it can impose fines and enforce their payment? This is why I posed the questions which so stumped our chubby wee lawyer hopeful; the history of the EU is one of snowballing intentions and powers. Without having any idea where it is all ultimately headed then you can't be even remotely hopeful that the expansion will stop before the more rabid fears of certain people become more and more rooted in reality.
I'm also fairly sure that the EU does have the power to punish member states in a meaningful manner that makes the voluntary aspect weaker then you might think it is. First, I must eat my dinner.gif)
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Xerx3s 23,970 posts
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Registered 17 years agoKhanivor wrote:
So, it's too late for you to school me? Handy lol.
Why don't you go get a good nights kip and do it tomorrow then? I'll patiently await your explanation of how the EU works, of how it is unlike any other supranational body and how it all operates in a completely aimless fashion without the intervention of human beings.
Bump.
The EU is a snowball. Snowballs are fun. Ergo, the EU is fun. YOU CANNOT FAULT MY LOGIC! -
Khanivor wrote:
Here are some direct questions to answer; maybe you can C&P them into google and get some 'answers':
1 - What is the purpose of the EU over the coming decades?
2 - Will the Lisbon Treaty be the final expansion and codification?
3 - What designs do those who run the EU, from the politicians to the career bureaucrats, have for its future?
I look forward to your rewording of the wikis.
The intenet is not just for porn
That will answer your first question.
Honestly Khani, I expected better from you. Take your information from the horses mouth.
The EU is a form of supra national government, it's not static. No governments are. -
mcmonkeyplc wrote:
Khanivor wrote:
Here are some direct questions to answer; maybe you can C&P them into google and get some 'answers':
1 - What is the purpose of the EU over the coming decades?
2 - Will the Lisbon Treaty be the final expansion and codification?
3 - What designs do those who run the EU, from the politicians to the career bureaucrats, have for its future?
I look forward to your rewording of the wikis.
The intenet is just for porn
Fixed!
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