Following A psychopath reviews Star Wars: Phantom Menace

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  • Retroid Moderator 22 Dec 2009 09:17:38 45,464 posts
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    What's wrong with your face?

    A nice (7x10 minute) post-mortem of all the things wrong with the film mixed in with some slight oddness & little bits of behind-the-scenes stuff. Only watched up to part 4 but I'm really enjoying it :)

    (Yet to get to the bit mentioned of Lucas having 'melt down' at a PM screening)
  • chopsen 22 Dec 2009 09:23:21 21,958 posts
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    Saw that the other day, it's excellent.

    The 1st two parts and the last part are the most insightful, the rest is a frame by frame disection of why the film makes no sense.

    It pretty much proves that it is not a subjective matter - Phantom Menace is an abomination.
  • nickthegun 22 Dec 2009 09:26:50 87,711 posts
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    The review on ruthless reviews is really good. Its just a bullet point list about how george lucas is a pedophile.
  • chopsen 22 Dec 2009 09:28:36 21,958 posts
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    Also, I assumed that the behind the scenes stuff was just bonus material off the DVD or whatever, I didn't think it was secret stuff or anything. I interpretation of it in the review is very interesting though.
  • Apollo 22 Dec 2009 09:30:48 550 posts
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    Watched this the other day, very clever, funny spot on piece.
  • Vice.Destroyer 22 Dec 2009 09:31:39 7,437 posts
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    I thought that episodes 4-6 were actually much, much worse than episodes 1-3. I just never got the original trilogy. Complete and utter shit.

    /don't hurt me. Please.
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 09:37:19
    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    I thought that episodes 4-6 were actually much, much worse than episodes 1-3. I just never got the original trilogy. Complete and utter shit.

    /don't hurt me. Please.
    Haha, you're funny.
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 09:38:12
    CrispyXUK wrote:
    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    I thought that episodes 4-6 were actually much, much worse than episodes 1-3. I just never got the original trilogy. Complete and utter shit.

    /don't hurt me. Please.
    Haha, you're funny.

    congrats. you've won an INSTABAN :)
  • chopsen 22 Dec 2009 09:38:34 21,958 posts
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    /hurts Vice.Destroyer
  • Mekanik 22 Dec 2009 09:39:51 4,729 posts
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    Just watched the first two. That is pretty damned good.

    George, are you watching?!?!?!
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 09:42:05
    Is this guys voice for real? He sounds like the bug man from MIB.
  • DaisyD 22 Dec 2009 09:42:27 11,816 posts
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    I don't have 70 minutes free to watch that! Don't you know I'm ill and Jeremy Kyle is on! ;)
  • Vice.Destroyer 22 Dec 2009 09:43:22 7,437 posts
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    Chopsen wrote:
    /hurts Vice.Destroyer

    Ha. Sticks and stones, brother. Sticks and stones.

    /ouch
  • Pac-man-ate-my-wife 22 Dec 2009 09:50:53 7,087 posts
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    I was ill yesterday so sat in bed and watched the whole thing - it's brilliant!
  • jellyhead 22 Dec 2009 09:52:25 24,355 posts
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    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    I thought that episodes 4-6 were actually much, much worse than episodes 1-3. I just never got the original trilogy. Complete and utter shit.

    /don't hurt me. Please.
    Why would we hurt people who are incapable of thinking properly?
    You're safe. Wrong but safe :)
  • PearOfAnguish 22 Dec 2009 10:01:00 7,573 posts
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    This is very funny and absolutely spot on. Also a great pisstake of weird nerdy youtube videos.

    I thought that episodes 4-6 were actually much, much worse than episodes 1-3. I just never got the original trilogy. Complete and utter shit.

    /don't hurt me. Please.

    I'm not a Star Wars fan at all, but the original trilogy is enjoyable fluff with groundbreaking effects while episodes 1-3 was a cinematic abortion for many reasons. They're three of the worst mainstream movies ever made.
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 10:02:07
    Saw it yesterday after it was linked in the YouTube thread. Loved it. Picked the film apart very well - a little chaotic at times but overall absolutely on the money and funny as fuck.

    Lucas doesn't really melt-down though, don't get excited. He just sort of goes "I think I overdid it" and the editor goes "Yeah, there's too much going on but you can't take any of it out, SELF-PWNED you CRETIN!" and that's it.

    The clip of Lucas passing judgement on special effect extravaganzas is by far the worst case of self-pwnage I've ever seen though. Someone should force him to watch that tiny segment of interview over and over and over and over again...
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 10:04:01
    Love his basement.
  • warlockuk 22 Dec 2009 10:05:54 19,519 posts
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    I kinda enjoyed the 2nd one for the fights and loads of kids getting killed. \mm/ *edit, movie I mean*
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 10:06:27
    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    I thought that episodes 4-6 were actually much, much worse than episodes 1-3. I just never got the original trilogy. Complete and utter shit.

    /don't hurt me. Please.
    Regardless of whether you're right to hate the originals (you're not, but meh), I don't understand how anyone in their right mind can find anything of any merit whatsoever in the new trilogy compared to the old trilogy. New trilogy is three of the most boring, tedious, empty wastes of 2hrs+ each ever committed to film. Absolutely unbelievably bad.
  • Vice.Destroyer 22 Dec 2009 10:06:29 7,437 posts
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    You see, this I don't get, Pear. How do you come to that conclusion? The level of acting is virtually identical in both trilogies. I'll grant you that the special effects were something special for 1977. Indeed, they are still something special today. But that is the only positive in the trilogy for me.

    I sincerely believe that nostalgia has propelled those films to a platform they should not occupy. This might be incredibly controversial, but to me, The Last Starfighter should have had the level of success that Star Wars had. Better film in every respect.. Granted, the special effects were poor compared to Star Wars. But it was a better story.
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 10:09:13
    Look let's not get into a heated and pointless argument about whether the first 3 films were good. If you don't like them nothing anyone here will EVER say will cvhange your mind so let's not derail!

    Comparing the two trilogies, though, the differences are vast. If you actually watch this 70 minute review of the Phantom Menace it will tell you everything that any of us would say about the differences between the two trilogies.

    In summation: in the original films the story structure is vastly better, they're more focussed, characters are far more interesting and rounded, there's an actual hero to follow from start to end, it's engaging for kids (come on, the Phantom Menace starts with a fucking tax dispute)...

    The new ones are literally all about the effects - less than a quarter of what's on screen is even real. At least the originals felt tangible and solid.
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 10:10:43
    Christ, I forgot how boring the new trilogy is, it really is the one dullest set of films this decade.
  • Vice.Destroyer 22 Dec 2009 10:11:02 7,437 posts
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    MrED209 wrote:
    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    I thought that episodes 4-6 were actually much, much worse than episodes 1-3. I just never got the original trilogy. Complete and utter shit.

    /don't hurt me. Please.
    Regardless of whether you're right to hate the originals (you're not, but meh), I don't understand how anyone in their right mind can find anything of any merit whatsoever in the new trilogy compared to the old trilogy. New trilogy is three of the most boring, tedious, empty wastes of 2hrs+ each ever committed to film. Absolutely unbelievably bad.

    The first film of the first trilogy was boring. But the other two were good fun. At least as much fun and spectacle as the much loved original trilogy. Seeing Yoda fight Count Dooku, was that not cool? The fight between Anakin and Obi-Wan? The fight between Yoda and the Emperor? The death of all the Jedis? The killing of the younglings? The death of Jango Fett.

    To my mind, just as good/bad as the original trilogy.

    Edit: Just seen MrEd's request not to derail this thread. Not a problem.
  • PearOfAnguish 22 Dec 2009 10:12:15 7,573 posts
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    I don't agree about the acting, it's not particularly good in the originals but is nowhere near as hilariously awful as the three new movies. Like I said, I'm not a Star Wars fan so nostalgia doesn't come into it, but Ed summarised why the originals are superior. It's simple, cheesy fun. The new movies are just mind numbingly terrible in every way.
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 10:12:47
    Vice.Destroyer wrote:
    Seeing Yoda fight Count Dooku, was that not cool? The fight between Yoda and the Emperor? The death of all the Jedis? The killing of the younglings?
    No.
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 10:14:22
    Nah, all of those things you mentioned may have been good if they hadn't been turned into effects spectacles. Seriously, take the time to watch the review or you can't really join in with this discussion - he makes all these points very well with actual video evidence and if you still disagree afterwards (which you will, you clearly don't like Star Wars, which is your right) well fair enough.

    I personally rank the new trilogy in order of preference, 3, 2, 1. But 2 and 1 I really would never ever watch again if I had my way, and I'd only watch 3 if I absolutely had to. It's at least an hour too long for what actually happens. By the time you get to the end you're almost as bored as if you'd been watching the other two. There are nice moments (Anakin going nuts, the Kenobi/Anakin fight) but they're submerged in effects and grandour that dilutes their dramatic effect to practically zero.
  • PearOfAnguish 22 Dec 2009 10:15:11 7,573 posts
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    Nope, the Yoda fights were embarrassing to watch. Also:'younglings'.
  • Deleted user 22 December 2009 10:20:21
    Also, yeah, the Yoda fight was awful. Should never have been shown.
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