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  • mrpon 27 Mar 2020 10:03:46 36,544 posts
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    Dug out and charged my battered, cracked screen 3rd gen last night. I was surprised how much of it still worked! And that I remembered my login details.
  • uiruki 27 Mar 2020 10:05:43 5,482 posts
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    Iím pretty sure my 10.5Ē iPad Pro supports HDR, at least nominally.
  • nickthegun 27 Mar 2020 10:16:37 83,632 posts
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    beastmaster wrote:
    Once things start returning to normal after Corona, Iím going to treat myself to one of the new iPads and magic keyboards.
    Im thinking about that when our employee purchase scheme rolls around in september. Ive got the 2nd gen, 12" which is just a massive ipad. The new ones are ergonomically so much better.

    Its still great and all, but the new ones really do feel so much better.
  • Derblington 27 Mar 2020 10:21:25 34,242 posts
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    I bought a 2018 Pro in Nov and Iím thinking about upgrading to a 2020. Thereís very little difference in it but Iím a sucker for tech and my iPad is literally my favorite piece of tech, I really enjoy using it.

    If I do I reckon Iíll pass this one over to my mum. She has a laptop but doesnít really know how to use it past the surface level of clicking buttons, and this is just kind of a giant iPhone. With the Magic keyboard I reckon sheíll be a lot more comfortable with it than the laptop.
  • TheSaint 27 Mar 2020 12:24:05 20,085 posts
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    Kind of tempted but my old 12.9 still has a headphone jack which I use all the time. Seems totally pointless to remove it from such a huge device.
  • yegon 27 Mar 2020 12:42:21 6,511 posts
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    The 2018 iPad Pro does support HDR10 & Dolby Vision. Not that youíd ever notice though.
  • beastmaster 27 Mar 2020 13:56:07 21,645 posts
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    Just checked. First generation iPad Pro. Need an upgrade :D
  • yegon 27 Mar 2020 14:05:13 6,511 posts
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    Donít bother upgrading purely for the HDR support - I doubt you would - but it really is barely noticeable.
  • chessboxer 30 Mar 2020 20:10:54 374 posts
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    yegon wrote:
    The 2018 iPad Pro does support HDR10 & Dolby Vision. Not that youíd ever notice though.
    The HDR output on my 2018 Pro is nowhere near as good as my Xperia XZ3, which has a 620 nits (max) display.
  • Derblington 30 Mar 2020 20:38:33 34,242 posts
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    So rumors of a Pro V2 coming later this year.
  • beastmaster 30 Mar 2020 22:16:22 21,645 posts
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    Derblington wrote:
    So rumors of a Pro V2 coming later this year.
    I had no idea. I thought they only did one a year bit this looks to be a rumour that's circulating around. I may wait till the the end of the year.
  • Derblington 30 Mar 2020 23:14:37 34,242 posts
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    Iíve seen it mentioned in a few places but donít know the origin.
    The 2020 Pro is a really marginal improvement over the 2018, which is unusual after a 2 year wait. The big reveal really is the magic keyboard. I donít know if itís the expectation of Ďmoreí thatís driving the rumor or if thereís actual evidence that something is coming.
  • ozthegweat 31 Mar 2020 21:10:42 2,704 posts
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    iPads support playback of HDR files, but don't have an HDR display.

    The A12Z in the new iPads simply added an 8th GPU core compared to the A12X. So these new iPads are more like a revision B than a new model.

    With the rumours of a new iPad coming in autumn (perhaps with an HDR display), I wouldn't buy one right now.
  • binky Moderator 20 May 2020 11:11:36 11,091 posts
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    I'm close to pushing the button on an iPad Pro 12.9 with magic keyboard and pencil.
    Has anyone bought a 12.9 and regretted it due to size/weight?

    I'm really interested in using it for photo editing, and I doubt I'd take it out of the house much, so figured the bigger size wouldn't be too much of an issue in that regard.

    Any anecdotal experience much appreciated.
  • General_Martok 20 May 2020 11:24:43 1,495 posts
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    Why an Ipad pro over a surface pro ?
  • binky Moderator 20 May 2020 11:44:24 11,091 posts
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    General_Martok wrote:
    Why an Ipad pro over a surface pro ?
    Because I've been fully entrenched in the fruity ecosystem for 20 years, plus from what I can see the apple pencil seems to be pretty class leading for what I want it to do.
  • ozthegweat 20 May 2020 12:12:02 2,704 posts
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    @binky Funny you should ask, as I've been throught the exact same thing in the past couple of days. I had the "normal"-sized versions of the iPad since it came out 10 years ago. I bought a 12.9" model 3 weeks ago and have been using it daily, switching back to the 10.5" from time to time.

    It really depends on what you use a tablet for. I use it a lot for quick interactions (looking up something on the web), reading/surfing in bed, replying to an e-mail or instant message now and then. I have the Smart Keyboard for the 10.5" and find typing on it fine, but I don't use it for hours on end. I also don't do any work on it (I use a 16" MBP for that). I also almost never need to use split-screen mode. What I do use all the time however is slide over: slide the messages app in, reply to a message, and swipe it away again.

    Everytime I go back from the 12.9" to the 10.5", it's like a breath of fresh air. It is so light and the handling is so much better than with the bigger iPad. Slide over isn't a significantly better experience on a 12.9". I've also found that for my use cases, a bigger screen is often not really beneficial. There's an optimal font size and line length for reading, and going bigger/longer actually makes things worse (e.g. Safari reader mode has the same width on the 10.5" and the 12.9" for that very reason).

    Because of that, I'll be switching to an 11". But I'm still glad I bought the 12.9", because now I know that the bigger one isn't for me.

    Edited by ozthegweat at 12:13:03 20-05-2020
  • beastmaster 20 May 2020 12:15:00 21,645 posts
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    Anyone used their iPad in Sidecar mode? What's the experience like?
  • HarryB 20 May 2020 12:20:10 7,630 posts
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    Getting a 2020 pro when you have the 2018 is a waste, you wonít see a difference!
    My wife has the gen1 pro as I upgraded, only for the nicer form factor
  • TheSaint 20 May 2020 12:24:54 20,085 posts
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    I'm a big fan of the 12.9, although I have the old version with touch ID. The pencil was a waste of money though, it just sits unused in a drawer.
  • binky Moderator 20 May 2020 12:30:21 11,091 posts
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    @ozthegweat That's interesting. I had wondered, actually, whether for browsing the screen size would be pretty insignificant and you'd end up with wasted space. But for drawing and photo manipulation whether I'd get a worthwhile benefit there over the 11.

    Do you find the 12.9 cumbersome? I'd probably only use it for an hour at a time I guess.
  • Derblington 20 May 2020 12:30:33 34,242 posts
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    @binky
    The 12.9 with magic kb is basically the same weight as a 13Ē MBP (tiny bit more but meh). If youíre ok with that weight youíll be fine.

    Because the base of the magic kb is heavy itís easy to grab the iPad with one hand and lift it off of the case which reduces the weight by half, and is convenient for a quick bit of handheld use.

    If you intend to use it primarily to read stuff or more mobile I can see the appeal of the 11Ē, but in home use the extra screen size is useful for creative stuff and the size and weight really isnít an issue.
  • HarryB 20 May 2020 12:38:55 7,630 posts
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    Yep had the 12.9 from the start and use it to edit photos and videos, Netflix etc also itís like a small TV for the kitchen etc and I also use the OneCast app to play my Xbox over WiFi with it, good for that

    Edited by HarryB at 12:39:07 20-05-2020
  • binky Moderator 20 May 2020 12:51:27 11,091 posts
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    Cheers. Sounds like this backs up what I'd been thinking: If I was expecting to go mobile with it then 11 is best, but for around the home the 12.9 works, but can be a bit heavy after a while if using as a handheld reader. Sound about right?
  • binky Moderator 20 May 2020 12:52:40 11,091 posts
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    @HarryB I'd not heard about OneCast until today. Is it as good as it sounds? Could I feasibly play something like Red Dead without lag issues?
  • HarryB 20 May 2020 13:49:36 7,630 posts
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    @binky yes! It does cost but I used it very often until lately due to having RSI at the moment. And you can pair the controller to your iPad with Bluetooth. It only works locally you canít go off and do it over 4G etc. Never had an issue with it and used it for a year or 2.
  • ozthegweat 20 May 2020 14:00:16 2,704 posts
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    @binky Not exactly, it's not home vs. on-the-go. It's about how (much) you handle the device.

    Docked to a Magic Keyboard, put on a stand in the kitchen to watch videos, propped up against your legs on a couch, lying flat on a table when drawing or taking noted with the Pencil: great with the 12.9.

    Thumb-typing, holding the entire device (without propping it up) like when reading with your legs stretched out, or one-handed e.g. when standing, moving it from here to there all the time, quick interactions like grabbing it from your nightstand to check the weather: much more comfortable with the smaller one.

    And it's not just the weight: because the device is bigger it creates a longer lever arm e.g. when holding it at an angle (like you would hold a book)
  • ozthegweat 20 May 2020 14:04:02 2,704 posts
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    Here are two articles about 12.9" users who tried the 11", one switched and the other didn't:

    My 11-inch iPad Pro Experiment

    One Week With the New 2020 iPad: Moving Back to Small

    Edited by ozthegweat at 14:05:07 20-05-2020
  • binky Moderator 20 May 2020 14:55:58 11,091 posts
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    That second article was an interesting read.
    Certainly a compelling argument for sacrificing the bigger screen for something a bit more pickup-and-play.

    Stupid Covid stopping me from going to an Apple Store.
  • Derblington 20 May 2020 15:09:49 34,242 posts
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    It really does depend on what you want to use it for. I can happily use the 12.9 held with one hand in landscape but Iím 6í2 and have large mitts. I donít do it that often though, I just donít have the need. Itís a laptop for 80% of the time, with the rest split between reading comics and sketching out of the case (but Iím still sat on the sofa or in bed).

    Iíd always had a 10Ē iPad for book/comic reading and light browsing, with a laptop for more substantial stuff.
    I now have a kindle for proper reading, and use the iPad as a hybrid laptop tablet. I donít really take it out of the apartment often, though I have a laptop sleeve in my bag for when I do, and I can still whip it out on the train to read comics when I want (holding in in portrait is obviously a lot easier anyway, and itís the size of the average magazine).

    The only significant disadvantage to the 12.9 is one handed use while laying down. I manage fine without that.
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