Ror wrote:In other words, they probably had at least 20 million dollars for this game. Not nearly as much as the budget for the original Shenmue, but still quite a lot for an independent production - mind, it's not that independent if there were so many parties involved... The other thing is that Kickstarter is a horrible way to judge the amount of interest in a game. If you look at their KS page, they got 6+ million dollars, but from just 70.000 backers. In other words, there very few people who were "really" interested enough in the game to back it early. And since I don't think any big publishers will throw in their support for a sequel for just 70k sales, the amount of actual sales will be important too. |
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Malek86 11,183 posts
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Psiloc 5,803 posts
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Registered 13 years agoI'd love to see the actual numbers it's done.
Would be a turn up if it has flopped after 18 years of noise -
richarddavies 8,001 posts
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Registered 12 years agoI'd be more pleasantly surprised if it does really well to be honest. How successful do people think a sequel to a cult/relatively unsuccessful game from nearly twenty years ago is going to be? And this is coming from a fan. -
Ror 20,322 posts
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Registered 11 years agoYeah, I would be very surprised if ended up at half a mil lifetime, tbh.
@Malek86 I wouldn't like to guess at the total amount, but I'm sure I read about Shibuya pledging to match the KS amount - I can't find anything now though, so may be mistaken. It's also worth noting that some of that budget will also have to go towards backer rewards too. But I think we can safely guess the entire budget was north of 10 million (though I'd guess that would be inclusive of publishing and marketing, which probably would have been the bulk of Deep Silver's involvement). -
Nazo 1,495 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI read an interview with Suzuki a while back that said until QuickSilver got involved S3 was basically just going to be a story with some QTEs so I imagine they must have put a fair bit of cash in. -
Malek86 11,183 posts
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Registered 14 years agoFor what it's worth, the game sold 17k units in its launch week in Japan, which is half of what Shenmue 1+2 sold at launch last year.
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SolidSCB 13,777 posts
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Registered 11 years agoThe same people crowing for it for 18 years are the same ones who will wait for when it inevitably cost pennies in a couple of months
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Ror 20,322 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI had to fight the scarface bookie guy earlier and he beat the poop out of me. So I spent the day selling herbs and practicing at Martial Hall, instead of pushing the story on.
I think any other game would probably annoy me by doing that, but it just seems to fit so well with Shenmue being a bit of a celebration of martial arts. Ain't gonna get nowhere without practice, Ryo! -
Nazo 1,495 posts
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Registered 11 years agoThis is one of the minor disappointments for me, I was hoping they wouldn't go this route.
In S2 when I lost a fight it felt like because I wasn't good enough, I needed to spar to practice moves and learn to observe my opponent's style and figure out how to beat them. I'm not a fighting game fan but to me it felt like a good system and the difficulty felt about right.
Now I can just cheese my way to victory by levelling up until I can overpower them. -
Ror 20,322 posts
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Registered 11 years agoTo be fair, you could cheese SII by backing off, spamming Y to dodge, and then fwd, fwd x.
I get your comment though, this is different and feels a bit more like overlevelling in a jrpg. -
evild_edd 4,276 posts
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Registered 14 years agoSo, after a crazily busy period at work and home, I've finally had the chance to start my 2HD playthrough (ahead of 3!)
Coming relatively soon off the back of playing 1HD I was reminded of the exact sensation I had when doing the same with the DC originals back in the day. It's a sense of being overwhelmed by HK.
I know modern open world games offer a lot more in actual space, but there's something about the detail and the... mundanity (if you'll pardon the expression) of the series that you feel like you can genuinely get lost.
It never really happened in 1, but 2 dumps you in the middle of this Warren. It wants you to feel overwhelmed. Like an outsider, which is precisely what Ryo is. It's brilliantly effective. -
Psiloc 5,803 posts
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Registered 13 years agoYou know I've only ever played the original two games once - I'm not a die hard lifetime fan or anything so forgive me if I'm missing something. But didn't 2 end on a supernatural note, with the sword levitating and getting all fantastical?
I literally don't remember the sword being in the 3 intro at all. But I did start my playthrough at midnight on a school night -
Psiloc 5,803 posts
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Registered 13 years agoAnyway. I'm really starting to dislike the food mechanic. I don't think it really adds anything.
Also on a personal note, I really miss the Japanese setting of the first game. It's a bit daft, because while I was playing that game I was longing for a more colourful and lush setting so they really can't win with me on this one. But I do hope S4 ends up back in Japan -
JoeGBallad 474 posts
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Registered 11 years ago@evild_edd when you first go into the Come Over Guest House there's a wee cutscene where Ryo jist has a moment and catches his breath, and I was genuinely right there with him. -
KD 3,053 posts
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May get some practice in before starting Shenmue 3. -
Graxlar_v3 10,654 posts
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Registered 3 years agoI am 1hr from finishing Shenmue 2 
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Ror 20,322 posts
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Registered 11 years agoJust be prepared for a much slower-paced game. You're coming right off of 2, which actually has a fairly high pace. -
Graxlar_v3 10,654 posts
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Registered 3 years agoRor wrote:
is it as full of QTE's?
Just be prepared for a much slower-paced game. You're coming right off of 2, which actually has a fairly high pace.
also, thats fine. I think i prefer the pace of shenmue 1 to 2 anyway.
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Ror 20,322 posts
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Registered 11 years agoNot really, not so far at least. They are there when you're sparring, which feels like a decent use of them.
Related to that, I much prefer the way you level up your combat skills in this one. -
jamesarthur 1 posts
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Registered 11 months agoShenmue is a positive experience for people who suffer from anxiety and depression. The game has a meditative quality to it. I am especially fond of this game having just returned from Guizhou
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SolidSCB 13,777 posts
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Registered 11 years agoJust finished it. If you ever want a gilt edged example of 'We ran out of money and just had to wrap it up any way we could', look no further than the last hour of Shenmue III.
The whole thing is literally a filler episode between Shenmue II and the Shenmue IV that will most likely never happen. 30 hours of build up to a wet fart. This game is nothing short of insulting to the people that backed it, and the people who never gave up hoping the series would be wrapped up someday.
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evild_edd 4,276 posts
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Oh... :0(
Erm... Happy New Year?
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SolidSCB 13,777 posts
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Registered 11 years agoThe 30 hours before the insulting end portion are classic Shenmue, which I really, really enjoyed. Just don't go into it expecting it to answer many questions. There is almost zero significant story progression. -
evild_edd 4,276 posts
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Ah, yes, I had heard that.
In fairness, there was almost zero plot progression in 1 (after the opening cut scene). 2 is the anomaly in that it's packed with new characters and a comparatively rapid pacing.
The only hope is that 3 development got the engine in place, and the Epic game store cash will fund 4 and some kind of proper plot advancement... If there's any good will left, that is. -
SolidSCB 13,777 posts
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Registered 11 years agoIf there were definite plans and funds for a 4th game it might be forgivable but the message from Suzuki is basically "Hopefully we can carry it on", which is a real slap in the face.
Given it has sold abysmally and the reaction doesn't seem to be great from people who have backed it this time and probably wouldn't again, the only real hope is it being picked up by a first party. -
Ror 20,322 posts
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Registered 11 years agoSo this turned up today. I had to go and check to see what else I'm waiting on, given the campaign ended four and a half years ago.
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Baihu1983 12,943 posts
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Registered 9 years agoA video to make the Dojo forum cry
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Tuffty 4,709 posts
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Registered 14 years ago19 years for a filler episode is pretty apt. I haven't even beaten it, I'm playing it on and off and again and find I'm not even progressing the main story so much. Making a conscious effort to focus on main progression now just to get through it. In one way you have to respect Suzukis commitment to sticking with the pace of the story but not when there's so little progression. -
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Registered 11 years agoGood video, apart from his pronunciation of Ryo. -
Watching the bit about betting and grinding to make the money to buy wine, then doing the training and catching chickens. Then doing something similar later on in the city. fuck this game.
looking forward to starting 3 now. 
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