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dsmx 15 Jun 2012 10:42:59 8,640 posts
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As memory serves the matchmaking punishes you for playing well as the better you play the more likely it is your put with players who don't win that often.

Dr_Mech 15 Jun 2012 13:28:38 1,175 posts
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Bah so I finally have an overrall win rating that is slightly above average (apparently 49% is average, I currently have 51%) and it works against me.

Curse you bizarre matchmaking system!

Edited by Dr_Mech at 13:28:58 15-06-2012

Zaiz 15 Jun 2012 15:44:42 370 posts
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I thought that was a myth? I mean, the game swinging your rolls on your tank positively or negatively at the start of a match isn't a myth(the BL-10 was reported to have nearly a 50% variance in how 'effective' its gun rolls were.)

The key of course is to platoon constantly, and that'll drive you winrate right up. I'm currently at 51% as well, but my IS-7 is holding steady at 57%. : D I love that thing. You can leeroy jenkins so hard in it if you know what you are doing, and have moderately intelligent support.

Dr_Mech 17 Jun 2012 06:54:55 1,175 posts
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Starting to think the IS line perhaps wasn't the line for me, I seriously just cannot get a decent winrate in that thing (36%), I swear this particular tank is cursed for me.

I find it too lightly armoured even when fighting tanks of the same tier, relies too much on sloping at the front to deflect shots, has a massive glaring weakness in the front and can be ammoracked from the front as well.

As much as the payoff of the IS-7 is really appealing the fact that the IS-3 and IS-8 play like heavy mediums really isn't my thing, I think I'd honestly prefered slower, more heavily armoured brawlers of the KV line.

Wish there was a way to have all my research points refunded and go down the KV line but sadly doesn't look like an option.

The fact I need 160k to go from the IS-3 to the IS-8 is just downright fucking obnoxious, seriously when the tiers before were like an additional 20 to 30k XP and suddenly a jump from 77k for the IS-3 to 160k for the IS-8 is a WTF?! factor for me.

dsmx 17 Jun 2012 11:16:13 8,640 posts
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My win rate in the pz4 is at 56%, love that tank and it always makes me laugh when people complain about it being a bit crap. One of the best tanks you can have for it's tier and it will make you shit loads of money.

Dr_Mech 17 Jun 2012 11:47:41 1,175 posts
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I love playing the Churchill and rediscovered my love for the KV-1, both have around a 55% winrate.

That's the annoying thing, if it was a pile of ass like the VK3001P I wouldn't give a toss about winrating but I LIKE the IS-3 and I just can't seem to get a decent game or team with it, so I'm thinking it must be me and my playstyle does not mesh with the way the IS-3 and inevitably the IS-8 are meant to be played.

The IS-7 seems like it'd be perfect but it's the matter of going through tanks that don't suit my playstyle to get it.

Sorry guys it's just suffering defeat after defeat really gets to you in the end, I wouldn't mind if I had the occasional good victory but I just seem to suffering nothing but setbacks with the IS-3

Edited by Dr_Mech at 12:28:40 17-06-2012

Tabasco 17 Jun 2012 16:29:58 5,869 posts
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Took me a good 50 odd games to really get the IS3. Felt the same as you did at first, was really disappointed.

All I can say is stick with it, does click after a while...(183 games with a 52% win ratio now...)

I've got 830 games in my Pz4 and have a Win ratio of 56% as well - love it.

Edited by Tabasco at 16:30:56 17-06-2012

dsmx 17 Jun 2012 17:18:06 8,640 posts
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PZ4 though is only effective though when you get the top gun on it though and it's quite a slog getting to it but it's sooooooo worth it so long as you don't start charging forward as the lead tank.

Zaiz 18 Jun 2012 04:57:05 370 posts
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The KV line is bad and likely won't get fixed. German tanks have much better slow brawlers. The IS-4 is just a failed design. It requires too much care to angle properly, and if you fail at angling even slightly you'll take a tier X shell through your hull. And the gun is strongly "meh". The IS-4 mmight come into its own with some good developer buffs, but I think they are watching its performance carefully, because right now it isn't doing badly.

The heavy-medium bit you just have to realize is that you pop out and basically put the pain on someone, and then duck behind cover again. It isn't until the IS-7 that you get a massive payoff.

And yeah, I never really enjoyed the IS-3.

Dr_Mech 18 Jun 2012 14:04:23 1,175 posts
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Ok the fun has returned but now with the IS-3, Yesterday, the fun was doubled by now owning a KV-2 and Derp Cannon.

Was playing Malinovka and for once doing some camping since I was middle tier and the 152mm isn't suited to midrange combat, it's more of a close range cannon and I don't think I was going to survive going up against a tier 7 on the hill, thankfully our Tier 7s had gone up there.

Midway through the match after the usual early scouting one of our light tanks makes it across and hides behind the houses, the enemy KV-2 is spotted so I decide to take a potshot.

I fire and miss but unbeknownst to me there was the weakned T1HT that was nearby and blows him up.

All I could picture was the driver looking out the viewing window.
"Nikolai did we hit him?"
"Nope...but we definitely hit something!"
"Good enough."

dsmx 18 Jun 2012 16:46:05 8,640 posts
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Sounds like the american armed forces that

Zaiz 19 Jun 2012 14:46:26 370 posts
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The KV-2's 152 becomes very accurate if you allow it to zoom all the way in for some reason. More accurate than its .6 would normally be.

dsmx 19 Jun 2012 15:35:40 8,640 posts
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I really wish they'd put the equipment that tanks have on them as a factor in the matchmaking, is it really a good idea to put default equipped tier tanks up against tanks that are up to 3-4 tiers above them?

Zaiz 19 Jun 2012 16:29:30 370 posts
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There's actually a secret grace period that weights MM in your favor when you get a new tank. Unfortunately, it isn't very long. You probably won't notice it though because it'll still match you if tanks are desperately needed.

Also, about 30% of the userbase us NA/EU, with about 7% of the total being NA. : D

And I've very nearly mastered the 155 mm gun on my T95. Popping people from across the map with 600-900 damage shells is beautiful. Especially 900 damage.

Dr_Mech 19 Jun 2012 22:49:08 1,175 posts
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God damn you T95!

Was playing the Lakeville map, the enemy T95 had succesfully parked up on the downward slope of the hill on the left hand side.

Basically no bugger was going to go near it because it could blow their face off as soon as you popped up and bounce shots with that mahoosive frontal armour, there was no way of flanking it apart from to go round into the enemy base and back down.

Also the guy was fairly smart, he wouldn't chase down a target, he was sticking to that hill and not following me (a weakend IS-3) around the corner so the other IS-3 could shoot him in the backside.

You know what's worse...it fecking bounced an artillery shell off the frontal armour, sure it was only that one time but Jesus.

So yeah I made the discovery of, T95 in that position, spot it, let artillery bomb the hell out of it and then go barge the corpse out of the way.

Edited by Dr_Mech at 22:49:29 19-06-2012

Zaiz 20 Jun 2012 17:15:45 370 posts
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The T95's cupolas are made of glass, as is that lower glacis(thin angled strip below the gun mantlet) as long as he isn't angled, you should be able to hurt him from the front.

Artillery is the bane of a T95's existence. The tank is enormous and seems to take bonus damage from artillery shells. It isn't uncommon at all to take 60-90% of your HP in damage from a direct hit from 200mm gun, but you'll soak anything that lands to the side of you(because of those beast sideskirts).

If I see that the enemy has no artillery, I sometimes initiate 'scouting runs' in which my T95 just waddles right across the map and dares people to shoot at it. : D

Tabasco 20 Jun 2012 17:46:41 5,869 posts
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So RU and US servers should now both have 7.4 with the EU getting after 10 GMT tomorrow.

Good stuff.

Zaiz 21 Jun 2012 19:26:33 370 posts
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You would think that adapting to encounter mode wouldn't be too hard. Its a fun mode with potential but the average WoTer can't get it around their heads. Its like the idea that a mode where camping isn't nearly as viable is just breaking their little brains. "What? Tank does not come to me, I have to leave cover and attack? why I do not understand ;-;"

dsmx 22 Jun 2012 14:08:50 8,640 posts
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It's worse when your in a tier 3-5 tank battle and your 2 or so KV drivers decide they are going to camp behind some rocks thus ensuring you lose the round. Do they not realise that in a heavy tank your supposed to get shot?

Or the other great one was last night where I was on a team with a Churchill who's driver obviously didn't know that it's main strength was it's frontal armour so started shooting people all the time facing sideways to the enemy and as soon as he came under fire ran away leaving me in my very fragile pz4 to face the wrath of 5 tanks on it's own.

Zaiz 22 Jun 2012 15:22:21 370 posts
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The churchill's front armor is awful. There's a mysterious super-thick plate somewhere on it, but it isn't very big. You are better off tilting to the side slightly to angle your armor and let some shells get caught in your treads. >_>

dsmx 22 Jun 2012 18:00:05 8,640 posts
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My pz4 then must have the super thick plate seeking shells then because the number of times I've fired at the front and hit this plate is staggering. Come to think about it I tend to automatically aim for just below the turret on most tanks so I have to assume that the plate is located there.

Zaiz 23 Jun 2012 15:18:33 370 posts
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Aim for the turret on the churchill. It only has 88 mm on the front, and that plate -right below- has more armor. I think the lowest part of the armor is the thinnest, but I could be wrong(I haven't played a tier 5 tank in ages).

By default what you should aim at is the lowest possible plate on a tank if you are close. The lower glacis is the thinnest part of the armor on most tanks. There are exceptions, such as the Sherman Jumbo having the most armor on that plate.

dsmx 23 Jun 2012 20:45:04 8,640 posts
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Tends not to matter in the pz4 where you aim, the pz5 at it's best is used at 200-400m and at that range you don't get a lot of say on where the shells end up.

Still my favourite tank though by a long way, mainly because it's always in a battle where you have a chance of doing some damage as the gun goes through the armour of every tank your drawn against in it.

Dr_Mech 26 Jun 2012 02:26:52 1,175 posts
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Yay IS-8 get along with the gun upgrade.

Boo having to go through the IS-8 to get to the IS-7...

Also perhaps someone can help me, My KV-1 went up against a really weirdly named KV...it wasn't a normal KV-1, it had a string of numbers after its name that I can't remember, didn't seem any more powerful than a regular KV-1 though.

Zaiz 26 Jun 2012 15:26:35 370 posts
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The IS-7 is such a boss!

Also my ppremium acount just ran out and this game became really depressing to play again. I have a bunch of tier 6-9 tanks to grind up, so my credit pile is always going down.

Dr_Mech 26 Jun 2012 17:16:53 1,175 posts
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Yeah looks like it was either the KV-220 or the KV-220BT which according to the wiki are ridiculously rare outside of the RU server, wonder how they managed to get it.

dsmx 26 Jun 2012 19:59:48 8,640 posts
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Pz4 would be my recommendation if you want to make money, play it as a sniping tank and you rarely get damaged and you usually make if you win about 8-10k a battle in credits.

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