AaronTurner wrote:Or do they feel somewhat threatened by others decisions?I feel very strongly about being preachy to others: e.g. I've sworn I'd start smoking again - I quit several years ago - rather than become one of those fascist anti-tobacco ex-smokers. The same is true for my diet, if people want to eat meat that's their choice. I'll happily discuss benefits of meat poor/free diets but I'll also happily let people make people make up their own minds. Still, some people - close friends included - reacted like they almost felt personally threatened when I mentioned I stopped eating meat, which is a bit... odd to say the least. They also forwarded convoluted reasonings as to why eating meat is alledgedly a good thing, even though my decision barely influences them (they have to keep me in mind for BBQs and that's about it) It's weird. Edited by JoeBlade at 00:56:52 07-04-2015 |
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uberbeard 1,497 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@AaronTurner People don't really like feeling judged or preached to and that's the common stereotype of the vegan at the dinner table. I think a lot of people assume you have a preconception of superiority, regardless of the context for why you're talking about your diet choices. There could even be a veneer of jealousy about it, as if vegans and vegetarians are actively attempting to take away meat from the table? That would certainly explain unsolicited arguments like above.
I'm not sure that's even wrong a lot of the time, to be honest, it's ultimately an entirely personal choice but I know plenty of vegetarians (myself included) would would be very happy to have convinced someone to reduce or cut out meat from their diet. Some people get preachy, most don't.
I've only ever experienced it from the other end of the spectrum, where I've been derided and preached to in situations where I'd only had to say that I'm a vegetarian to avoid being served meat. Even my dad gets funny about it.
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mrharvest 5,718 posts
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Registered 18 years ago@bldomy In my opinion if you limit to how often you eat farmed meat then that's really good already.
Hunting is another kettle of fish though. I grew up in Finland where there is a minor problem at the moment because fewer and fewer young people hunt, so they sometimes struggle to reach the elk quotas. They need to keep the elk populations from growing too much because it's an important contributor to road accidents. There of course it is no issue if someone decided to join a hunting club and eat elk. I mean, all of my uncles used to hunt. I went out hunting with them as a kid. But now out of my 12 cousins I think no one does.
Tanzania was one place where I saw sustainable animal farming. There people just couldn't have too many animals because if you did, you couldn't feed or provide water for them and they'd die. This regulated how much meat families, even the rich ones, could have. This is changing to Western style intensive (and unsustainable) farming as people move to cities and aren't directly involved in the meat production any longer but buy it from the shops. -
uberbeard 1,497 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@mrharvest Contrast that to the farm my uncle owns, where the local pheasant hunters actively keep the population higher than it should be so they can justify going out on yearly shoots.
That being said, I can't wait to have a garden so I can make my own happy chicken farm.
I'm not sure that's any better.
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Registered 8 years ago@AaronTurner TBF, evolution was brought up in numerous posts and it is fair to comment on that when it has been so and there have been some misconceptions and it is fair to address those points.
Personally I don't mind what people eat in general. I have preferences about food, so do others. I think it is also equally valid to talk about why veganism isn't right for some. -
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Registered 18 years ago@uberbeard I don't particularly see a problem with that? It'd be worse if the population was too small but they still insisted on having an annual cull, right? I suppose it's an issue of no natural predators in the area but I'm pretty sure the farmers wouldn't agree with wolves or lynx re-introduced either. -
AaronTurner wrote:
I'm not mocking anyone. My views are balanced and inclusive. Food shouldn't be discussed in a solemn, super-srz-bznz tone. It's food! It's the stuff of life! It's a positive thing!
I don't really get why we are talking about evolution? Is the question "why are you vegan/vegetarian"? I don't see a vegetarian or vegan condemning anyone for eating meat but there are a few defensive comments here for sure with a reasonable amount of mocking thrown in for good measure. Don't get me wrong, I'm not precious about it, just wondering if people are interested in why others have chosen to be vegan or if they are more interested in questioning or mocking the decision? Or do they feel somewhat threatened by others decisions?
I mean Craigy has gone from telling us about his militant vegan friend giving the wrong image for vegans to making the 'vegetables are alive too' joke in a matter of posts. -
@craigy that's fine and I'm sure you don't mean it but you have to consider that you've posted about the age old stereotypical vegan in this thread which we all have to accept as a reality. However when the conversation moves forward to other things such as meat alternatives you're mocking people in a really condescending way by cracking jokes about the fungi being alive and how we should all ban killing the fungi. It makes it very difficult to actually have a worthwhile conversation about it. From a vegetarian's perspective you have to understand that it's a pretty common experience to be questioned and mocked for your choice, I've even had it in a restaurant before. It's also pretty hard when trying to explain you don't eat meat, I hate saying I'm vegetarian and when I do say it some people take an extremely defensive stance straight away. It's as though just uttering the words "I'm a vegetarian" or "I dont eat meat" is considered preachy by some people.
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elstoof 28,125 posts
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Registered 16 years agoCraigy' post was a response to someone else saying something about fungus being abused for Quorn, no? Lighten up, Vegan! -
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elstoof 28,125 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMr_Sleep wrote:
2 posts before craigy.
I am surprised that no one on this page seems to have pointed out that the so-called meat alternatives are not created from vegetables and are instead created from fungi. -
This might be the food equivalent of "my best friends are black", but my favourite place to eat in Brighton is a vegetarian/vegan restaurant. But I also love a nice steak. Figure that one out.
But don't worry, Aaron is part of the Old Firm which makes it impossible for any discussion to be anything other than us vs them. It's part of the persecution mentality that comes with being a Rangers/Celtic supporter. Not sure why this has to be personal. -
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mrpon 37,366 posts
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Registered 15 years agoYou could fight over it but you're all so limp wristed 
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Saul_Iscariot 4,399 posts
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Registered 9 years agoAaronTurner wrote:
It was due to bad wording on my part regarding dairy from other species being part of our diet. Matt corrected my mistake.
I don't really get why we are talking about evolution? -
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Jokes are fine, and his joke certainly wasn't condescending. I was simply making the point that yours was a bit condescending and unoriginal which was ironic considering you'd posted about the old vegan stereotype that relentlessly batters the message home. Like I said, it doesn't bother me but I question whether people actually want to know the reasons for people choosing to be vegan/vegetarian or if they want to try to convince them it's weird and/or not worthwhile?
No jokes allowed, mrpon! It's condescending! -
So gay jokes are cool, but ones about fungus aren't? Gotcha. -
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Registered 8 years ago@mrharvest I'd still rather see them leave the natural populace as it is and, I dunno, go play a video game instead.
Not that they're good shooters mind, you occasionally see them heading back from a hunt with one or two birds between them. It's the kind of incompetence I don't mind. -
Im not sure why you're being so defensive Craigy? Open up, let your inner vegetarian be free. Love yourself!
Also, I didn't take it as a gay joke, I thought it was some sort of commentary on a poor vegetarian diet or something. -
Benno 11,854 posts
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Registered 16 years agoMy girlfriend tried to smuggle quorn into a bolognese once. I knew something was up before I even took a bite. I almost left her -
elstoof wrote:
Erm, it is true and not a joke. Quorn is not really a vegetable. I am not sure what point you are tying to make.
Mr_Sleep wrote:
2 posts before craigy.
I am surprised that no one on this page seems to have pointed out that the so-called meat alternatives are not created from vegetables and are instead created from fungi. -
elstoof 28,125 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI don't really have the energy to explain tbh - didn't have my usual full english this morning. -
AaronTurner wrote:
Just lighten up a bit. We were having a good time until you started calling people condescending.
Im not sure why you're being so defensive Craigy? Open up, let your inner vegetarian be free. Love yourself!
Also, I didn't take it as a gay joke, I thought it was some sort of commentary on a poor vegetarian diet or something. -
To be honest mate, I hardly think I hung you out to dry by pointing out what you are saying can come across as condescending. -
Saul_Iscariot 4,399 posts
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Registered 9 years agoBenno wrote:
Was it the Quorn mince? That stuff is awful. Oddly I do not mind the Quorn cubes but the mince has some coating or texture that I cannot get along with.
My girlfriend tried to smuggle quorn into a bolognese once. I knew something was up before I even took a bite. I almost left her -
convz 1,239 posts
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Registered 10 years agomrpon wrote:
You could fight over it but you're all so limp wristed
Regarding the preachyness of vegans, I think it's because (in my case, at least) it's something I care about and enjoy talking about it, just as I enjoy talking about video games, football etc - it's completely unintentional but I can see why it comes across badly, especially because I think people don't like to really think about how their food ends up on their plate "it's cruel how the cows are treated, but I really like cheese so..." - also, being vegan is still pretty fucking strange. I always thought of vegans as being really weird, and now I'm one of them!
Also, for what it's worth, I don't think the majority of meat alternatives are actually funghi based - I know Quorn is, but that isn't vegan (not in the UK at least - until September) but I think the majority are based on other random proteins, most commonly soya, wheat etc. -
Wow, a Vegan gets over serious and has a sense of humour failure, who could¡¦ve seen that coming?
Craigy, your mate sounds utterly unbearable, obnoxious doesn¡¦t begin to cover her behaviour.
No-one likes to be preached at, especially by someone who has a relatively extreme position.
However, I can sort of understand some of the behavior, my heart sinks when I see ¡§fussy eaters¡¨ eating processed crap and not trying amazing foreign food etc. and I can feel the preaching well up inside ƒº
Personally I eat loads of fruit and veg, quinoa, pearl barley, chickpeas, lentils and a million other things but life without sushi, rack of lamb, beef, roast chicken etc. would make me a sad bunny.
I¡¦m trying to get in better shape just now and tried this metabolic typing nonsense nutritional advice, the amount of fruit and veg you have to eat to reach 2000Kcal or so per day is staggering, it¡¦s not easy to eat so much tbh.
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