F1 2010 (Codemasters) Page 108

  • shamblemonkee 30 Jun 2011 16:28:53 17,962 posts
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    reminds me of another tip: don't bother with inters, go either full wets or dry
  • brseg 30 Jun 2011 17:20:01 679 posts
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    Nice tactic for Catalunya, courtesy of Cadmuss' great youtube channel:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N2O-vAOeSg
  • shamblemonkee 30 Jun 2011 20:19:53 17,962 posts
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    brseg wrote:
    Nice tactic for Catalunya, courtesy of Cadmuss' great youtube channel:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N2O-vAOeSg

    that is some sweet driving .
  • IJ 1 Jul 2011 13:03:26 973 posts
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    That just shows how bad it is though. An 'expert' driver with a good tactic would only have come 5th (minus the mistakes). So its almost impossible to win on expert it seems. Clearly the testers would have reported this. Pretty poor for Codemasters to decide not to fix it.

    Very much looking forward to 2011 but there is going to be a big focus from the community on the bugs. Hopefully they'll learn from 2010.
  • shamblemonkee 1 Jul 2011 13:17:46 17,962 posts
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    Yeah, I am actually on Catalunya in my season at the moment and it is quite ridiculous for all the reaosns he mentions in that video.
  • SomaticSense 1 Jul 2011 14:36:44 15,062 posts
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    God I love this game.

    Got a new 360 last week, and can finally play this game again after a hiatus of a few months (the Open Tray error, which was caused weirdly by only this game), and have finally started my 4th season after signing a contract with McLaren, and winning the first two races on Legend diff.

    I honestly love it that much that I don't think I can be arsed with Forza this year, which says a lot as I've been a bit of a Forza fanatic in the past. Codies have just nailed the feel of a race as well as the surrounding race weekend so well that the thought of going back to the clinical non-competitive Forza races with their lack of qualifying (always hated that anyway) and stupid PI rating game design just fills me with dread. Different games really, I know, but the intensity of the races in F1 2010 and the weekends leading up to them just make every other racer look as dull as the PC's Garbage Truck Simulator.

    Codies really raised the benchmark by several notches, despite the bugs.

    brseg wrote:
    Nice tactic for Catalunya, courtesy of Cadmuss' great youtube channel:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N2O-vAOeSg

    Thank god for that.

    I was beginning to think it was maybe me (and lots of others) just being shit on that track. But that pretty much proves it's broken. I really hope Codies fix that for 2011, and the AI's snail pace at Montreal as well while they're at it.
  • L_Franko Moderator 1 Jul 2011 14:50:52 9,695 posts
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    I've not got sound on my work computer so can't listen to what the guy is saying in that vid.
    Anyone able to quickly put down what the problems are with Catalunya?
  • SomaticSense 1 Jul 2011 15:15:48 15,062 posts
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    Um, AI that suddenly becomes godlike and unbeatable?

    The AI being able to take corners like Scalextic cars, while yours, at the same speed and taking the same line, understeers straight off and into the gravel.

    Borked AI laptimes, ie, setting laptimes in practice and qually that you are just not capable of in similar conditions unless you are the type of gaming freak that regularly sits at the top of the online leaderboards.

    In short, the AI is the root of the track's problems. I shouldn't have to reduce the difficulty from Legend right down to Novice just to have a chance of making the podium or qualifying in the top 5, when I'm a contender at the highest difficulty on every other track.
  • L_Franko Moderator 1 Jul 2011 15:22:23 9,695 posts
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    Ah right, cheers for the info.
    Not had the game long so was wondering what to look out for.
  • corstick 1 Jul 2011 15:27:44 3,263 posts
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    SomaticSense wrote:
    I honestly love it that much that I don't think I can be arsed with Forza this year, which says a lot as I've been a bit of a Forza fanatic in the past. Codies have just nailed the feel of a race as well as the surrounding race weekend so well that the thought of going back to the clinical non-competitive Forza races with their lack of qualifying (always hated that anyway) and stupid PI rating game design just fills me with dread. Different games really, I know, but the intensity of the races in F1 2010 and the weekends leading up to them just make every other racer look as dull as the PC's Garbage Truck Simulator.

    Pretty much agree with that 100%. The physics are quite basic, some of the bugs are shockingly amateur and the lack of oversteer frankly silly but not since GTR2 has a game really nailed that racing atmosphere. Previously I despised all CM racing games but I really like what they are doing with the F1 series.

    I do worry though that with Forza 4 coming out at roughly the same time it will have an adverse effect on the F1 2011 community.
  • SomaticSense 1 Jul 2011 15:30:34 15,062 posts
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    L_Franko wrote:
    Ah right, cheers for the info.
    Not had the game long so was wondering what to look out for.

    The part of the track where the difference between you and AI is most noticeable, is at the left-hand hairpin at the start of the last sector, where they can put the throttle down way earlier than you and just blow by you as if you weren't there.

    They mention that corner in the vid as well.

    edited for lack of quotage
  • SomaticSense 1 Jul 2011 15:34:03 15,062 posts
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    corstick wrote:
    SomaticSense wrote:
    I honestly love it that much that I don't think I can be arsed with Forza this year, which says a lot as I've been a bit of a Forza fanatic in the past. Codies have just nailed the feel of a race as well as the surrounding race weekend so well that the thought of going back to the clinical non-competitive Forza races with their lack of qualifying (always hated that anyway) and stupid PI rating game design just fills me with dread. Different games really, I know, but the intensity of the races in F1 2010 and the weekends leading up to them just make every other racer look as dull as the PC's Garbage Truck Simulator.

    Pretty much agree with that 100%. The physics are quite basic, some of the bugs are shockingly amateur and the lack of oversteer frankly silly but not since GTR2 has a game really nailed that racing atmosphere. Previously I despised all CM racing games but I really like what they are doing with the F1 series.

    I do worry though that with Forza 4 coming out at roughly the same time it will have an adverse effect on the F1 2011 community.

    If Forza has a qually option this time and more real-life tracks, it might, just might tempt me.

    Either way though, it won't be stopping me giving Codies my money. F1 2010 with the bugs ironed out and (hopefully) a higher frequency of the AI crashing out would be officially The Best Thing Ever.
  • L_Franko Moderator 1 Jul 2011 15:36:05 9,695 posts
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    After playing Forza 3 in the past and F1 2010 just recently I have pretty much made my mind up that I'll be buying F1 2011.
    Forza is good and I have enjoyed the time I put into 3 but F1 is just too much fun and I love the feeling of being part of a team. Also for some reason when you nail an apex or work for an overtake and pull it off cleanly it just feels so much more satisying than on any other racing game i've played.
  • corstick 1 Jul 2011 15:55:35 3,263 posts
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    Going back and playing a bit of Forza 3 recently for the first time in 18 months I was instantly reminded of why I stopped playing. 4 will need a significant improvement in car handling and race atmosphere but it seems like the emphasis will be on things like Autovista which holds no interest to me in the slightest.

    If F1 2011 can manage to balance all its new features like improved tyre wear, proper dynamic weather, good ai and satisfying handling it could be very special. Of course that "if" is always quite a big obstacle.
  • shamblemonkee 1 Jul 2011 17:13:59 17,962 posts
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    Yeah I have to fess up and say that I have virtually zero interest in forza 4 at the moment, after moving on from that into race pro, f1 2010 and to a lesser extent shift 2 I don't think forza cuts it as a circuit racer anymore.
  • SomaticSense 7 Jul 2011 13:04:39 15,062 posts
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    I always loved Forza for it's car porn. Not even that appeals to me anymore. At least not since I've experienced such intense races in this game.

    I hate to say it (as I'm a long time GT/Forza fan), but I think it might be the beginning of the end for that style of 'driving sim', if even I'm losing interest.
  • L_Franko Moderator 7 Jul 2011 13:30:15 9,695 posts
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    I'm loving F1 and my enjoyment has been growing since I've been getting better at it.
  • SomaticSense 7 Jul 2011 14:29:23 15,062 posts
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    Re: My new season with McLaren (my fourth in my career overall).

    Um, I think I fucked up a bit. I accidentally accepted the contract with McLaren (pressed yes instead of no...), which meant I lost the drive with Red Bull who I won the previous year's Contructor's and Driver's championship with.

    "Oh well, McLaren should still be well up there", I thought.

    *ahem*

    The McLaren is now not only third best, with both Red Bull and Ferrari ahead, but is also now on average around 1.5(!!!) seconds of the pace, which is insane. It's not just me being shit either, as I'm consistently quicker than Hamilton in every practice/qually session. I was a crazy 1.6 seconds away at Turkey during all three practice sessions, which was a track I always did well on in the previous three years, even coming second in a Renault :(

    I won the first two races out of sheer luck (starting on hards, and in both races there were accidents early on at the front, allowing me to cruise by), came a solid fourth in Malaysia, won in an epic wet China race, and crashed out of the next two (intentionally at Barcelona and unintentionally at Monaco).
    Today I miraculously won at Turkey after a great start, sneaking up into second at the first corner while on hard tyres and after starting fifth on the grid, and having the race leader (Alonso) taking himself out after side-swiping me coming out of the pits and getting a DNF (with no damage or penalty for me, and rightly so I must say!), and the rest of the frontrunners which should've been ahead of me after the pitstops getting stuck behind a Rosberg/Hulkenburg/Schumi train thus allowing me to sneak just ahead after I made my own pitstop on lap 11.

    So, I'm somehow leading the championship despite making a contractual fuck up and ending up in a McLaren during one of their customary 'bad years', and in a car that's well off the pace of the Red Bulls and Ferraris.

    I utterly love this game so fucking hard!
  • L_Franko Moderator 7 Jul 2011 15:01:44 9,695 posts
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    Awesome stuff!

    I start my second season yesterday (only done one race so far) after finishing the season 11th with Lotus. I was hoping to get an offer from Renault as they seemed interested but no joy so ended up taking a contract with Williams and I am loving the car alot. It is so much more responsive that the Lotus to the point I had to up the difficulty to make it more realistic or I'd have blow every other car away. Well, that and the fact I'm becoming more familiar with the tracks.
    Have bumped up the race distance as well and did my first full race weekend. Looking forward to getting back on it tonight.
  • shamblemonkee 7 Jul 2011 17:37:24 17,962 posts
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    Highlights of Round 1 in the EG Modern Classics Cup...

    Mercedes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cSdkFA2S30
    Red Bull: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn3YsF7oIps&feature=watch_response_rev

    It was a corker, some extremely close racing, in some cases... much too close!
  • corstick 7 Jul 2011 18:03:20 3,263 posts
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    Watching that again, it's clear why I get such poor starts. Your car clearly starts moving several tenths before mine. Jump start, or more likely host advantage!! :)

    Talking about careers, strangely enough, I decided to play one more season before 2011 comes out to snag a few more achievements. After winning last season a bit too easily in a Ferrari (I play on Expert), I switched to Toro Rosso for a bit more of a challenge. Hasn't quite worked out like that yet though as I won from pole at Bahrain. The AI is pretty shocking there though. Yet another area where PC modders fixed the game. Hope CM have too for 2011.
  • shamblemonkee 7 Jul 2011 18:35:02 17,962 posts
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    @corstick re starts, you may well be right... in SP my starts are generally a bit tardy compared to the "a.i." possibly why your side was mucking about with my quali times? :p
  • corstick 7 Jul 2011 22:21:22 3,263 posts
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    That lap was blatantly illegal and deserved the 0.001 time penalty.
  • LionheartDJH 9 Jul 2011 20:22:29 20,291 posts
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    Had a sort of interesting race in Canada earlier. Dropped the difficulty to pro as I haven't played in a while, but still caned practice and quali so ended up starting from pole. 59% chance of rain so didn't go for the high steering/low downforce combo I usually do and opted for the average set up instead. Fairly standard race, pitted fine and everything and got back out in front when others pitted, it didn't rain either. A couple of spin outs solved with the use of flashbacks, and I was about 4 seconds in front of Vettel on the last lap.

    Then on the last corner (that little chicane that you can usually speed through) I went a bit too far on it, ended up hitting the wall and then spinning off to the opposite side of the track. Vettel closed in on me pretty quick, so my only option to keep the win was to be cynical and pull out right in front of him, which I did before then sailing to a 1st place finish. He didn't even finish the race because he was so badly damaged after he smashed into the back of me.

    Very cynical indeed of course, which led me to question the nature of the penalties really, think it's something that needs to be improved a bit in 2011. I would assume IRL I'd have likely been heavily penalised or even DQ'd for such a dick move, yet even with realistic flags on I was able to simply finish the race and take the points. Not that I didn't have a huge grin on my face afterwards, but it did feel a bit hollow and unrealistic (not that I'd want to do the 21 laps again to make up for it though!). Oh well, I'll just pretend my driver and he had a punch up after the race :p
  • corstick 10 Jul 2011 19:10:09 3,263 posts
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    To spice up my current career, which is turning out to be a bit easy - even in a Torro Rosso, I've gone back to cockpit cam and also turned off the OSD. It's a whole different experience, especially the lack of map (which I didn't realise I relied on so much) and driver names. Very immersive and really forces you to think and feel the car, particularly in the rain. After a while I had to turn on timing stuff though, as that is necessary and in reality there would be pit-boards and the engineer to supply that data. Overall, I wouldn't really recommend it for proper racing but it's a very interesting experience.

    With the more comprehensive engineer for 2011, I hope he will provide enough information to make no hud a viable option.
  • SomaticSense 15 Jul 2011 12:16:34 15,062 posts
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    LionheartDJH wrote:
    I would assume IRL I'd have likely been heavily penalised or even DQ'd for such a dick move, yet even with realistic flags on I was able to simply finish the race and take the points.

    Well, it would depend if your name just happened to be Michael Schumacher or not...
  • L_Franko Moderator 18 Jul 2011 10:32:29 9,695 posts
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    On my second season at the moment and I went with Williams after a year with Lotus.
    Got to Monaco saturday and as I knew I was going to struggle I spent ages practising it which helped alot as I ended up 10th on the starting grid which I was more than happy with.
    On the actual race it was raining at the start but I adjusted well and was happy to have moved one place up into 9th, then about half way through the rain stopped and the road was getting nice and dry just at the point I was going to pit. I had both Renault cars behind at this point so tried to make as best a gap as I could as I had a feeling one was coming when I wanted to and this did indeed happen, what I wasn't expecting was that they both come in at the same time behind me and as the Renault garage in right infront of mine I was blocked in because the second car was now queued behind the first and my pit crew wouldn't let me go. This meant I had to sit in the pit for FUCKING ages with just the right amount of time to put me in 23rd until the end of the race. The thought of putting the controller through the tv did cross my mind.
  • shamblemonkee 18 Jul 2011 10:45:26 17,962 posts
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    Ouch! i am also at Monaco in my 2nd season, but with Renault. I think Monaco is made even more testing by coming after Catalunya.....
  • L_Franko Moderator 18 Jul 2011 10:53:24 9,695 posts
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    shamblemonkee wrote:
    Ouch! i am also at Monaco in my 2nd season, but with Renault. I think Monaco is made even more testing by coming after Catalunya.....

    Tell me about it! I am playing this season through on pro difficulty and the difference in AI on Catalunya to the other tracks is crazy! Didn't really notice it the first time round on normal difficulty.
    Still, apart from that track the rest of the season is awesome.
  • monkman76 2 Aug 2011 08:55:56 14,544 posts
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    Woo, got a drive with Ferrari for my 3rd season - and I've suddenly realised how much understeer my Renault had... Awesome stuff, this game is immense.
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