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Are the Net Police Coming for You? (Panorama 15 March at 8.30pm) • Page 4
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FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoVroom! wrote:
Who are these muppets who think it's not stealing? Really!
Those not paying taxes? -
Bloodloss 4,497 posts
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Registered 14 years ago/700 page thread about copyright infringement vs theft
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Load_2.0 33,582 posts
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Registered 18 years agoecureuil wrote:
That program was so biased I wouldn't be surprised if it was financed by Sony Music. What's with the record industry playing the victim? Weren't music sales at a record high last year?
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Vroom 4,643 posts
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Registered 17 years agoFWB wrote:
Vroom! wrote:
Who are these muppets who think it's not stealing? Really!
Those not paying taxes?
I download music. I buy a lot too. Hell I just bought an album on iTunes 30 minutes ago. I know it is stealing when I don't pay though. Because I'm not stupid.
Sorry, it's just a pet annoyance of mine. -
ecureuil wrote:
The BBC are in cahoots with the music industry!? Shirely not
That program was so biased I wouldn't be surprised if it was financed by Sony Music. What's with the record industry playing the victim? Weren't music sales at a record high last year?
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Vroom 4,643 posts
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Registered 17 years agoecureuil wrote:
mattigan wrote:
Its easy IMO, sell singles for 5p and albums for 50p. Or similar levels, stop being so fucking greedy, stack them high and sell them cheap and people WILL legally download your product.
Stuff like Spotify is the way forward. Oppressive measures are backwards and they will not work, it'll just fuck a hell of a lot of people over without ever reaching the crux of the problem. Technology needs to change and adapt to meet peoples needs.
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FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoVroom! wrote:
FWB wrote:
Vroom! wrote:
Who are these muppets who think it's not stealing? Really!
Those not paying taxes?
I download music. I buy a lot too. Hell I just bought an album on iTunes 30 minutes ago. I know it is stealing when I don't pay though. Because I'm not stupid.
Sorry, it's just a pet annoyance of mine.
Well that's the point. I have done it and I know it's stealing. -
Yeah, you can't really defend piracy by saying it's the music industry's fault for Being Shit. -
ploder 243 posts
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Registered 15 years agoSo much ignorance on this topic...
Vroom! wrote:
I hate to burst your bubble but it really isn't stealing. Don't buy into the propaganda of the record industries. It isn't like taking a physical object away from the owner so he no longer has it. We are talking about a copy being made which leaves the original intact. It is closer to photocopying a book than theft hence the term 'copyright infringement' - ie making a copy of something without the permission of the person who holds the rights in it. But why let something as insignificant as the truth stand in the way when there are people to demonize?
Who are these muppets who think it's not stealing? Really!
Another thing which I find hilarious (as it will only end up hurting them) is that they assume that the person downloading illegally would have gone out and bought the content were it not for the illegal option. There is no evidence for this and yet they keep lobbying gov for harsher laws on this premise. It is just as plausible that the 'pirate' wouldn't buy anything as they didn't have the money or use a free legal service instead.
No because it goes against their MUSIC PIRATES ARE FILTHY CRIMINALS THAT SHOULD BE LOCKED UP argument.
lol. You realise that making copies of music you have legitimately bought (for your digital music player for e.g) is considered piracy too don't you?
If these kinds of laws get through I won't be infringing the copyright of rights holders (not that I do in the first place) but I also will definitely not be buying their music either. I'll be using legal free music services like Jamendo.
Will these laws just boost support for the Pirate Party UK?
http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/ -
kingnothing12 834 posts
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Registered 14 years agoLoad "$" wrote:
And PORN gigs and gigs of filthy prn. Tell the truth forensic investigator!
I get it all from Piratebay innit.
lmao i so gunna rip into steve when i see him. He said to me you could blatantly see 'pornhub.com' in the address bar when the guy was on his comp but guess that didn't make the edit, he also was showing Jo Whiley his Pink Floyd poster when she chimes in 'i've never seen the big deal with them'. Bitch.
He is a tit though, 'oh it's just there, it ain't hurting no one' great, you couldn't be more of a stereotype if you tried. -
ploder wrote:
So much ignorance on this topic...
Indeed, from you.
Why does something have to be physical to steal it? Intellectual property is still property.
steal (stl)
v. stole (stl), sto·len (stln), steal·ing, steals
v.tr.
1. To take (the property of another) without right or permission. -
FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoIt's stealing. You're either an idiot or a liar if you say otherwise.
I do agree that the industry needs to find another solution though, because suing your customers is not going to work. -
wafflemaker 238 posts
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Registered 12 years agoSo when someone stole my heart once, they didn't steal my actual heart but they just made a copy and left the original in tact. I've always wondered how I'm still alive.
Can I sue that son of a bitch then? -
kingnothing12 834 posts
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Registered 14 years agoecureuil wrote:
kingnothing12 wrote:
he also was showing Jo Whiley his Pink Floyd poster when she chimes in 'i've never seen the big deal with them'.
..excuse me?
The lad who was having his laptop searched by mr forensic, he's a mate iv'e known for a long time. He was telling me when they showed up to film that Jo Whiley was walking around looking etc and clocked his Pink Floyd poster and then said that little gem of a quote. -
ploder wrote:
So much ignorance on this topic...
Vroom! wrote:
I hate to burst your bubble but it really isn't stealing. It isn't like taking a physical object away from the owner so he no longer has it. We are talking about a copy being made which leaves the original intact. It is closer to photocopying a book than theft hence the term 'copyright infringement' - ie making a copy of something without the permission of the person who holds the rights in it. But why let something as insignificant as the truth stand in the way when there are people to demonize?
Who are these muppets who think it's not stealing? Really!
Oh, my favourite subject. Calling it "theft" is "demonizing" it, huh? This already implies that copyright infringement is somehow less bad. Which it isn't. The term "theft" does the job well enough, it's criminologically similar. Indeed, theft of a basically infinitely reproducible, as such wortless object like a DVD is indeed much closer related to copyright infringement than it is to theft of a single, irreplaceable object.
It's not even really jurists, it's only apologists who insist on the big difference between theft and piracy. Bet you don't bat an eyelid when someone confuses murder and manslaughter.
And the photocopying example is a bad one. Because when you photocopy something, you get a shit version of the original, not the original. -
Carlo 21,801 posts
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Registered 16 years agoPes. It's not theft it's copyright infringement. It's still wrong, but it's not theft or stealing. -
ploder 243 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPes. It's not theft it's copyright infringement. It's still wrong, but it's not theft or stealing
Indeed. Many people can't tell the difference which is why I fear for the internet and these draconian laws.
FWB wrote:
It's stealing. You're either an idiot or a liar if you say otherwise.
I do agree that the industry needs to find another solution though, because suing your customers is not going to work.
You're kidding right? I don't appreciate being called an idiot or a liar since it is you who is mistaken. Go ask a lawyer if you don't believe me. It most definitely isn't stealing (ie theft) What you get done for if caught is copyright infringement (making a copy of something without permission)
If you still doubt this then let me ask you this: What has been stolen? -
ploder wrote:
So much ignorance on this topic...
Vroom! wrote:
I hate to burst your bubble but it really isn't stealing. It isn't like taking a physical object away from the owner so he no longer has it. We are talking about a copy being made which leaves the original intact. It is closer to photocopying a book than theft hence the term 'copyright infringement' - ie making a copy of something without the permission of the person who holds the rights in it. But why let something as insignificant as the truth stand in the way when there are people to demonize?
Who are these muppets who think it's not stealing? Really!
Oh, my favourite subject. Calling it "theft" is "demonizing" it, huh? This already implies that copyright infringement is somehow less bad. Which it isn't. The term "theft" does the job well enough, it's criminologically similar. Indeed, theft of a basically infinitely reproducible, as such wortless object like a DVD is indeed much closer related to copyright infringement than it is to theft of a single, irreplaceable object.
It's not even really jurists, it's only apologists who insist on the big difference between theft and piracy. Bet you don't bat an eyelid when someone confuses murder and manslaughter. People call it "theft", just get over it.
And the photocopying example is a bad one. Because when you photocopy something, you get a shit version of the original, not the original.
Oh, I never tire of this argument. \o/
Go ask a lawyer if you don't believe me
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FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoLou, go ask a lawyer. Then come back to us.
Actually, I have a question questioning streaming? Is it legal to watch them? I was told by a lawyer it was. -
ecureuil wrote:
mattigan wrote:
Its easy IMO, sell singles for 5p and albums for 50p. Or similar levels, stop being so fucking greedy, stack them high and sell them cheap and people WILL legally download your product.
Stuff like Spotify is the way forward.
Services that make no money and look like there is no chance they will ever make money? -
ploder wrote:
So much ignorance on this topic...
Vroom! wrote:
Who are these muppets who think it's not stealing? Really!
I hate to burst your bubble but it really isn't stealing. Don't buy into the propaganda of the record industries. It isn't like taking a physical object away from the owner so he no longer has it. We are talking about a copy being made which leaves the original intact. It is closer to photocopying a book than theft hence the term 'copyright infringement' - ie making a copy of something without the permission of the person who holds the rights in it. But why let something as insignificant as the truth stand in the way when there are people to demonize?
Another thing which I find hilarious (as it will only end up hurting them) is that they assume that the person downloading illegally would have gone out and bought the content were it not for the illegal option. There is no evidence for this and yet they keep lobbying gov for harsher laws on this premise. It is just as plausible that the 'pirate' wouldn't buy anything as they didn't have the money or use a free legal service instead.
No because it goes against their MUSIC PIRATES ARE FILTHY CRIMINALS THAT SHOULD BE LOCKED UP argument.
lol. You realise that making copies of music you have legitimately bought (for your digital music player for e.g) is considered piracy too don't you?
If these kinds of laws get through I won't be infringing the copyright of rights holders (not that I do in the first place) but I also will definitely not be buying their music either. I'll be using legal free music services like Jamendo.
Will these laws just boost support for the Pirate Party UK?
http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/
Edited by ploder at 21:26:08 15-03-2010
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