Following Buying a Macbook Pro? Page 28

  • Fake_Blood 31 Jul 2019 11:55:01 10,693 posts
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    @Zerobob On the other hand, my 2018 mbp has by far the best speakers I have ever heard on a laptop.
  • elstoof 31 Jul 2019 11:58:20 26,254 posts
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    Whats this monitor dongle that blocks the headphone socket? Isnt it just a regular usb c plug?
  • elstoof 31 Jul 2019 11:59:36 26,254 posts
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    Fake_Blood wrote:
    @Zerobob On the other hand, my 2018 mbp has by far the best speakers I have ever heard on a laptop.
    Truth, theyre incredible considering the form factor. The HomePod also sounds fantastic, Apple have got their audio properly sorted in recent yesrs
  • Huggybear 31 Jul 2019 13:47:25 1,783 posts
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    Armoured_Bear wrote:
    MagSafe is indeed awesome, I think you can get aftermarket usb-c equivalents
    This is what I use. A USB cable with a detachable magnetic head to replace the normal cable. It's not safe to use normal Usb-c cables with small children running around the house.
  • ozthegweat 19 Feb 2020 17:57:01 2,708 posts
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    I just received a monster: 16 inch, 8 cores, 2TB SSD, 64GB RAM. This thing is absolutely amazing. I use it with a 5K monitor attached to it, with various VMs running. The keyboard is also excellent. Glad I wasn't the one to pay for it though.
  • convz 19 Feb 2020 20:47:00 1,212 posts
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    I think your post pretty much sums up Macbook Pros perfectly - amazing but also amazingly expensive. I remember when I first met my wife she had just bought one for around 700... 10 years later and even the cheapest MacBook Air (not even a Pro) is 1,200!
  • elstoof 19 Feb 2020 21:37:43 26,254 posts
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    Worth it though
  • askew 19 Feb 2020 22:00:04 22,180 posts
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    I thought my work machine was a beast when I got it back in 2016: the 3.1Ghz i7 with 16GB memory. Now its fan is at Mach 3 when running numerous Docker containers :(
  • tombo 19 Feb 2020 22:34:24 2,143 posts
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    Were on the 2018 15 i9s at work. 32GB RAM. Keyboard is pretty manky but otherwise its a joy. Fans spin with Parallels/Visual Studio and IntelliJ running with some docker containers but Apple know how to make decent dev machines.
  • Tonka 20 Feb 2020 07:19:08 31,378 posts
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    elstoof wrote:
    Worth it though
    As long as you don't have to touch the keyboard, and have sufficient dongles. But, it seems like Apple have caught on to the criticism, so keyboards are getting better.
  • nickthegun 20 Feb 2020 07:26:02 83,748 posts
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    Criticism AKA a class action lawsuit
  • beastmaster 15 Jun 2020 21:55:24 21,684 posts
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    Apple have now updated the 16 inch MacBook Pro to include an option for an AMD Radeon Pro 5600M with 8GB of HBM2 memory as opposed to GDDR6 memory. Supposed to offer a 75% increase in performance. 600 more expensive.

    Probably some other stuff coming soon at the WWDC a bit later in the month.
  • Armoured_Bear 15 Jun 2020 22:10:42 29,302 posts
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    I desperately hope the new iMac arrives and is decent
  • beastmaster 15 Jun 2020 22:49:16 21,684 posts
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    Hmm...It's probably going to look like an iPad Pro. Who knows.
  • barchetta 9 Sep 2020 22:03:43 2,958 posts
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    My son is starting A levels and a BTEC in music tech. He has been a longtime PC user but the new course is based around Logic X and Im thinking Mac of some nature, portable ideally, would be a decent option.

    He currently uses Mixcraft 8 on an 4 yr old HP laptop with 8GB Ram and an i3 processor and has been creating songs with around 25-30 tracks, so I imagine hell be doing at least the same and likely getting more ambitious. He also records quite a bit with his guitar tutors and they use Cubase. Would be good to get something that can run Logic and Cubase natively...

    Ive been looking at the new MBPs but I think the 16 are probably a little too costly, once Logic X And some other bits are factored in. The 13ers are more in line with the price I had in mind, but maybe a little underpowered and, for Logic maybe the screen is too small.

    So, I was looking at refurbs that give a larger screen and more performance CPU, is the 2015 MacBook Pro a little long in the tooth? Ive seen some i7 16GB 256SSD models, with discrete GPU, for around the same price as an entry level new MBP13.

    Anyone using an older MBP with Logic? He wont be gaming, just studying using Office 365, so likely that the most demanding stuff will be the music prod stuff.

    Any guidance gratefully received!
  • beastmaster 9 Sep 2020 23:46:43 21,684 posts
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    @barchetta

    Just for starters...

    https://youtu.be/yFm-2jzILTQ

    There are plenty of YouTube videos about 2015 MacBook Pros in 2020. The tech Tubers do this stuff all the time.


    Edit: This is the go to guy for Mac stuff.

    https://youtu.be/yYBXzMX2bp4

    Edited by beastmaster at 23:48:52 09-09-2020
  • Worlds 10 Sep 2020 00:44:20 217 posts
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    You tried the refurb store on the Apple site? I recommend that.

    Id be careful about getting an older Mac now. Apple are transitioning from Intel to their own chips, very soon. Wont effect you with a newer Mac but would put older Macs completely out of support.

    Try 16 on the refurbishment store on the official site.

    Edited by Worlds at 00:45:01 10-09-2020
  • binky Moderator 10 Sep 2020 07:59:58 11,094 posts
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    I have a 2013 i7 MBP that still runs super fast. The battery is somewhat suspect, and at times it can run magma hot. Support ends for it as of Big Sur.
  • barchetta 10 Sep 2020 12:51:54 2,958 posts
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    Cheers all. Quite a minefield! I was thinking a new macbook would probably see him through 6th form and university. So, whilst there may be some decent (and more powerful) older refurbs, maybe they won't be supported for more than a couple of years... and even the current range will be outdated by the new ARM chips quite soon.

    I bought an iMac just before they ditched PowerPC and now it feels like history repeating... needs outweigh a chance to wait, but damn if it doesn't look like I'll be cursing the decision in 18 months!
  • binky Moderator 10 Sep 2020 12:58:00 11,094 posts
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    Yeah, it's not an ideal time to be looking to buy a future proofed Mac.
  • beastmaster 10 Sep 2020 14:10:20 21,684 posts
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    May be a brand new 14 MBP announced next week at the Apple event which uses Apple silicone. Different tiers depending on what you want to use them for.

    Could be total BS. Be interesting to find out. Im after a 16 MBP but wont wait and get the Intel version.
  • nickthegun 10 Sep 2020 14:16:34 83,748 posts
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    Its also going to be worth looking at what student discounts are available. Dunno what it is this year but its usually 10% and a big chunk off applecare.
  • ozthegweat 11 Sep 2020 09:20:35 2,708 posts
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    My father uses Cubase and effects software and MIDI and stuff. From what he has told me, and from my own dad support efforts, every time something changes, like with the annual major macOS releases, everything breaks. He has to wait months for all the bits and pieces to be updated (and sometimes even has to pay for those updates) until he can update macOS. These audio apps consist of legacy tech on top of deprecated tech, wrapped in outdated tech.

    So I wouldn't feel too bad buying an Intel MacBook Pro right now. They are going to stay relevant for years. While I hate and wouldn't recommend the Touch Bar, there might be some real benefit with some audio applications.

    Edited by ozthegweat at 09:23:01 11-09-2020
  • barchetta 11 Sep 2020 11:05:14 2,958 posts
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    That's a fair point. Logic X will be pretty much day 1 support I imagine, but Catalina appears to have implications for a number of .vst makers and I expect a new CPU architecture is going to cause more issues over the next 18 months..
  • barchetta 11 Sep 2020 13:30:50 2,958 posts
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    The i5 2.0ghz 16GB MacBook Pro 13 seems to fit the bill - screen size is a little tight but he could easily run a 2nd monitor for home, for college/uni that looks like a good compromise. Im worried that the low end Macbook is going to struggle a bit with his larger 30+ track Logic projects.. the 2.0ghz 10th gen probably helps, without perhaps straying into the hot-running issues of the higher end 16s and their i7/i9s.....

    Still a bit more than Id hope to spend, but if it gives more longevity that helps.
  • salrip 11 Sep 2020 17:06:17 157 posts
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    I make quite a lot of music with my 2014 2,2 Ghz Mbp. When dealing with plugins and such it depends so much which ones are you using, do you need low latency for recording etc. For me, some plugins I can only load a couple of instances before the computer starts to melt but if I think things through and plan a bit a head, not using the most cpu intensive stuff too much it's no problem. Audio tracks by themself take very little cpu power, it is when you're dealing with plugins that you have to worry so I guess everybody's need's a little bit different. Do you mainly record instruments and use a few plugin effects and synths or is everything done in the computer with lots of virtual instruments/effects and so on.

    Also yes, regarding audio stuff it is always with fear I update osx. I'm on Mojave currently and think I'll stay there as long as I can. Not being able to run 32 bit programs and plugins in catalina and newer is not something I look forward too.
  • barchetta 11 Sep 2020 21:08:55 2,958 posts
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    Im no expert (just the bank) but he has a Focusrite 4/4 (?) usb interface that he uses to record guitar and vocals and will layer multiple recordings with various .vsts and other home-made samples. Often running to around 30 tracks but sometimes the ambition outguns his 4yr old dell inspiron (8GB, i5-7200U).

    Maybe the i5 8th gen in the base will be sufficient, but the beefier i5 10th Models may be a better bet....
  • superdelphinus 12 Sep 2020 01:13:45 10,474 posts
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    I have one of the new mb airs and it can handle logic projects of around 100 tracks (majority live instrument/ voc recordings, but also usually drummer and a few keys and stuff), bussed to the 9s with multiple instances of neutron, soundtoys etc. Beyond that it starts to run into resource problems. I cant remember what processor that is, but its the i5 one.
  • barchetta 12 Sep 2020 09:03:26 2,958 posts
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    @superdelphinus interesting, as I think Logic and other DAWs would be the most demanding apps hell use. Not likely to be doing much in Final Cut for example.

    You have 16GB RAM though?
  • Worlds 12 Sep 2020 16:14:57 217 posts
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    MB Airs have huge thermal issues. Id stay away from them.
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