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  • Baihu1983 21 Feb 2021 21:43:38 13,375 posts
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    Come on guys he feeds children which means it's okay
  • mikew1985 21 Feb 2021 22:03:03 15,299 posts
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    Meh his foot was trod on its exaggerated but that's the game now. Everyone from rashford to salah to kane does it.
  • Frogofdoom 21 Feb 2021 22:11:41 17,298 posts
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    Yeah it was soft, let's call it 2-1 instead.
  • mikew1985 21 Feb 2021 22:33:07 15,299 posts
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    It's a penalty in the game now, it just is. Rightly or wrongly. If you don't go down as an attacker, you're an idiot. The refs have proved time and again that trying to stay on your feet gets you nothing.
  • Dougs 22 Feb 2021 08:13:15 98,009 posts
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    Aside from against Saka the other day
  • You-can-call-me-kal 22 Feb 2021 08:25:41 22,783 posts
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    This from Maguire also interesting.

    https://twitter.com/liamdowson_55/status/1363580164924448768?s=21
  • mikew1985 22 Feb 2021 08:57:48 15,299 posts
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    I noticed that on MOTD, not while the game was on, certainly took a risk in blocking him off.

    We were lucky to escape the first half level with Newcastle, if Wilson had been playing we'd have probably gone in a goal down.

    We only started playing after it went 2-1 and that goal was completely against the run of play in the second half.
  • mikew1985 22 Feb 2021 08:58:24 15,299 posts
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    Dougs wrote:
    Aside from against Saka the other day
    Probably, I can't say I'm sure what incident you're referring to.
  • captbirdseye 22 Feb 2021 08:58:41 10,430 posts
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    Harry still thinking he's in Greece.
  • Dougs 22 Feb 2021 09:05:50 98,009 posts
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    mikew1985 wrote:
    Dougs wrote:
    Aside from against Saka the other day
    Probably, I can't say I'm sure what incident you're referring to.
    The one where a blatant foul, much more of a penalty than any of these "soft" ones, was overturned by VAR. It didn't matter in the context of the game but was a ludicrous decision.
  • mikew1985 22 Feb 2021 09:16:44 15,299 posts
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    The inconsistency of VAR has become more pronounced this season imo, you feel the discourse is absolutely having an effect on the decision making.

    Of course it always has but it seems this season the random nature of how that affects each refs thinking is more pronounced. Why some things are being more extensively checked than others or what is or isn't a handball.
  • JYM60 22 Feb 2021 10:20:45 18,730 posts
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    The replay of the Rashford pen looked like nothing happened really. The Newcastle player didn't protest at all and clearly knew he'd caught him though.
  • Baihu1983 22 Feb 2021 12:10:55 13,375 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    This from Maguire also interesting.

    https://twitter.com/liamdowson_55/status/1363580164924448768?s=21
    Thug.
  • muddyyfunster 22 Feb 2021 16:50:00 911 posts
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    My hope and expectation is that we are still in the teething stage of VAR and that the rules will be iterated.

    To some degree, I'm not sure people know what they want and will always complain. Many (in my view reasonably) say that consistency is everything, but offside is the most ruthlessly consistent and objective part of the VAR process and people hate that as well, some even arguing for more subjectivity in offside.

    I'd agree that more work needs to be done on VAR. It does sometimes feel like incidents get more attention when players appeal rather than based on a completely objective assessment. I had hoped that VAR would get rid of surrounding the ref. If anything it's got worse and is still being rewarded.

    I can see the funny side in the fact that Luis got a red card for trying to avoid contact with a player, but Maguire didn't even get a yellow for changing direction to forearm smash a player into the net off the ball.

    Edited by muddyyfunster at 16:51:13 22-02-2021
  • You-can-call-me-kal 22 Feb 2021 16:52:13 22,783 posts
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    Iím all for consistency in offside being implemented, but either the technology needs to be perfected, or decisions need to recognise the imperfection and allow attacking advantage within a recognised margin of error.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 22 Feb 2021 16:58:31 16,375 posts
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    I donít think we need technology to know Man U are dirty cheats
  • DJCopa 22 Feb 2021 17:01:58 2,530 posts
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    @You-can-call-me-kal Yep - tech just isn't there to be 100%. When the ball is kicked it could be a frame or 2 out, which is where they are looking at armpits, etc.

    I would say a time limit and then go with the attacker if to can't be resolved, but that will probably cause more issues as the VAR person's own reaction time will be called into question.

    It's almost as if this wasn't thought through from the start...
  • Stuz359 22 Feb 2021 17:44:31 389 posts
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    Reminds me of the Futurama episode with the horse racing. Checking the result with a 'quantum finish.' 'No Fair, you changed the result by measuring it!'
  • DakeyrasUK 22 Feb 2021 18:31:10 4,920 posts
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    Var and offside isnt consistent. Firstly the use of an arm now being a reason for offside is ridiculous, secondly I still have major doubts over where lines get drawn let alone which frame they use to draw them.
  • DakeyrasUK 22 Feb 2021 18:31:34 4,920 posts
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    @Stuz359 hahaha love futurama!
  • Trowel 22 Feb 2021 18:44:32 24,196 posts
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    Villa have banned their players and staff from playing FPL after people worked out Grealish was injured from them transferring him out.
  • Dougs 22 Feb 2021 18:54:21 98,009 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    Iím all for consistency in offside being implemented, but either the technology needs to be perfected, or decisions need to recognise the imperfection and allow attacking advantage within a recognised margin of error.
    Yes, exactly. Cricket recognises that the Hawkeye tech has a margin of error and account for that by favouring the onfield decision. No reason why the same can't happen. Would need everyone to accept that what is given one game, may not another.
  • Kay 22 Feb 2021 19:23:17 20,991 posts
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    Surely that Maguire elbow was violent conduct that the FA should have looked into after the game?

    Edit: Okay, violent conduction is a bit of an exaggeration, but he did clatter him into the goal with his elbow without even attempting to go for the ball.

    Edited by Kay at 19:25:10 22-02-2021
  • You-can-call-me-kal 22 Feb 2021 19:25:38 22,783 posts
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    Iíd call it violent conduct.
  • DakeyrasUK 22 Feb 2021 20:35:52 4,920 posts
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    Yeah I would say it is worthy of a straight red anywhere on the pitch.
  • SolidSCB 22 Feb 2021 20:59:33 14,913 posts
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    Just caught a top tier Facebook comment from one of those foreign fans that always flood the comments.

    "Hope the fuel prices in Ghana go as low as Martial's workrate".

    It's not even that funny but I fully cracked up. I've spent far too long indoors now ffs.
  • bzzct 22 Feb 2021 21:07:17 2,225 posts
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    For VAR off-sides, even if you could tech your way out of issues with frame timing etc., the other issue is that by measuring whether any relevant body part is off-side by millimetres, you're measuring something the player is unable to measure themselves in the moment.

    An attacker that to the extent a human can tell is successfully remaining level with the defensive line while running is going to be constantly flitting on and off-side as strides alternate etc. So then it becomes almost pot luck as to whether he turned out to have been offside at the moment the ball was kicked.
  • Kay 22 Feb 2021 21:49:36 20,991 posts
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    You-can-call-me-kal wrote:
    Iíd call it violent conduct.
    True, he went in with the elbow to the head from what I can see. It's pretty ludicrous that players can still get away with shit like that, considering some of the soft penalties and red cards we've seen recently.
  • muddyyfunster 22 Feb 2021 21:52:13 911 posts
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    bzzct wrote:
    For VAR off-sides, even if you could tech your way out of issues with frame timing etc., the other issue is that by measuring whether any relevant body part is off-side by millimetres, you're measuring something the player is unable to measure themselves in the moment.

    An attacker that to the extent a human can tell is successfully remaining level with the defensive line while running is going to be constantly flitting on and off-side as strides alternate etc. So then it becomes almost pot luck as to whether he turned out to have been offside at the moment the ball was kicked.
    I see your point but in reality the attacker will be trying to stay on side and the defender might be trying to play them off. Both parties can/do/will continue to leave a sensible margin in their positioning. If you are a striker and genuinely attempting to stay 1mm onside I'd argue that's a bit stupid as you are likely to get caught off for minimal gain. Better to play it safe and position yourself to be 30cm onside instead.

    The timing issues can be solved by frame by frame tracking and interpolation. The tech should catch up soon and will only improve. There's precedent in other sports.

    Edited by muddyyfunster at 21:53:48 22-02-2021
  • Jono62 22 Feb 2021 21:54:40 26,501 posts
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    Total smash and grab from Palace.
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