The UK General Politics Thread Page 834

  • elstoof 3 Jan 2018 19:33:52 20,056 posts
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    simpleexplodingmaybe wrote:
    Wasn't meritocracy coined as a satirical phrase for something he thought was a dumb and bad idea?
    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2002/01/25/world/michael-young-86-scholar-coined-mocked-meritocracy.html?referer=

    This obituary has a good account of it. It’s funny how Toby has become the very thing his father was famous for pushing back against
  • Dougs 8 Jan 2018 20:49:49 85,707 posts
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    Nothing about the reshuffle?
  • glo 8 Jan 2018 20:53:37 3,584 posts
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    @Dougs - nothing much to say about it imho. It's even more of a nothing reshuffle than I imagined and my expectations weren't high..

    Makes may look even weaker after all the stuff in the press about moving/demoting bojo in the last couple of weeks.
  • Dougs 8 Jan 2018 20:56:14 85,707 posts
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    That's what I find interesting. The stuff about Hunt and Greening is fascinating.

    Edited by Dougs at 21:15:07 08-01-2018
  • H1ggyLTD 8 Jan 2018 21:11:51 9,424 posts
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    You're demoted.

    No i'm not.

    That's right, you're not. Thank-you.
  • X201 8 Jan 2018 22:13:09 18,489 posts
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    And the official Conservative Twitter account was handing out jobs too...




    ... to the wrong people
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 8 Jan 2018 23:04:52 6,752 posts
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    According to the Spectator the guy who runs CCHQ's twitter saw the rumour that Grayling had been appointed on the BBC and ran with it. Even hit the Tory MP group chat to tell them all to start tweeting congratulations.

    Looks like it's not just at Cabinet level that they're useless.
  • FWB 8 Jan 2018 23:13:58 54,643 posts
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    Is there nobody in that sack of shit of a party who is going to sort them out? I mean, they've always been selfish, uncaring twats, but they did have a slick PR department. Is it that nobody cares anymore and is happy for everything to collapse? What is the opposition doing, aside from make jam?
  • H1ggyLTD 8 Jan 2018 23:15:19 9,424 posts
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    Getting ready to govern you.
  • JamboWayOh 8 Jan 2018 23:15:59 7,629 posts
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    Riiiight.
  • spamdangled 8 Jan 2018 23:41:54 31,620 posts
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    She couldn't really do a meaningful reshuffle due to how diminished her authority is. She is a Prime Minister who hasn't won an election and the leader of a parry that is failing against the opposition.

    That said, I was pretty flabbergasted that Jeremy Cunt not only kept his job but had his remit expanded.
  • spamdangled 8 Jan 2018 23:43:10 31,620 posts
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    Christ I jist got a horrific vision of Jeremy Cunt as contender for the next leadership.
  • FWB 8 Jan 2018 23:48:41 54,643 posts
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    That was a hilarious extra job he gave him. The guy who wants to see all state care gone, residing over it. Man.
  • spamdangled 8 Jan 2018 23:49:10 31,620 posts
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    FWB wrote:
    Is there nobody in that sack of shit of a party who is going to sort them out? I mean, they've always been selfish, uncaring twats, but they did have a slick PR department. Is it that nobody cares anymore and is happy for everything to collapse? What is the opposition doing, aside from make jam?
    Anna Soubry.

    But she is permanently relegated to the back benches due to her reputation as a troublemaker.
    She's far from perfect, but she has compassion for "normal" people, minorities and is broadly anti-brexit.
  • spamdangled 8 Jan 2018 23:53:15 31,620 posts
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    Seriously, how the fucking fuck did Jeremy Hunt keep his job? He has the lowest approval of all health secs on record and the news for the last month about the NHS has resulted in the PM making an apology on tv for how people are treated. The state of the NHS was the front page of over half the national newspapers on Sunday, and he presided over the largest industrial action in healthcare in history aginst against his policies.

    What the fuck does he have to do to be fired?
  • spamdangled 8 Jan 2018 23:53:22 31,620 posts
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    Dupe post.

    Edited by spamdangled at 23:53:51 08-01-2018
  • FWB 8 Jan 2018 23:55:10 54,643 posts
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    May doesn't get to decide. She's being told to keep him there so he deliberately runs it into the ground and the donors can take over privately.
  • spamdangled 8 Jan 2018 23:56:20 31,620 posts
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    Also: Lol at how yesterday commentators were saying this was May's chance to reinvigorate the party so it appeals to younger voters. Her reponse... keep it all as a cabinet of upper class rich toffs.
  • H1ggyLTD 9 Jan 2018 00:18:35 9,424 posts
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    In their eyes Hunt as done a perfect job.
  • spamdangled 9 Jan 2018 00:33:56 31,620 posts
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    Of desteoying the nhs to get it ready for privatisation?
  • spamdangled 9 Jan 2018 00:35:39 31,620 posts
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    Never thought I would sau thos... but a small dose of corbyn, as a 1 term PM, might help things.
  • Deleted user 9 January 2018 00:56:00
    The Tory's see the writing on the wall, at the next election they'll kicked out of number 10, so May is playing the fiddle while her cabinet burn everything to the ground, anything a future government mayy want to nationalise or scrap will be wrapped in contracts they'll have to break, HS2 and Hinkley Point will be started, it'd cost billions to cancel them and a bunch of other pointless project and if the Tories successors do the right-wing press will shred them.

    They're doing everything their donors and the vulture capitalists want while they still can, if Corbyn and Co. take power they'll have an NHS and emergency service in crisis, a Brexit related economic bomb either detonated or about too be, collapsing infrastructure and a million other problems, any attempt to go 'full socialist' with the UK outside of Europe and with the pound in free fall would further spook the markets and make things worse.

    The only way I can see for the UK to thread the eye of the needle and avoid total disaster is if May is forced to call a new election before the end of the year and a Labour-SNP-LibDem coalition is formed with the Lib-Dems and SNP seen to be reigning in Corbyn, a coalition can then call a second referendum which reverses Brexit while blaming it on the LibDems who'll happily take credit.

    If the government can achieve that it can start doing popular things like funding the NHS & Police, though they'd be wise to fully implement the Leavson recommendations and declare that the Murdoch's / off-shore owners are not fit-and-proper for media ownership in the UK while setting the HMRC loose on the Barclays etc.

    So a one in a million shot at not fucking the country basically :D
  • Dougs 9 Jan 2018 06:42:01 85,707 posts
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    And Toby Young has resigned from his post as universities regulator.
  • FWB 9 Jan 2018 06:44:10 54,643 posts
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    Writing on Tuesday, Young said “the caricature drawn of me in the last seven days, particularly on social media, has been unrecognisable to anyone who knows me”. But he conceded: “Some of the things I said before I got involved in education, when I was a journalistic provocateur, were either ill-judged or just plain wrong – and I unreservedly apologise.”
    How recent were some of his offensive comments?

    A journalistic provocateur? No, mate. Just a solid grade-A cunt.

    Edited by FWB at 06:46:02 09-01-2018
  • Dougs 9 Jan 2018 06:45:48 85,707 posts
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    About a year ago I think!
  • FWB 9 Jan 2018 06:46:12 54,643 posts
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    Exactly.
  • nickthegun 9 Jan 2018 07:11:48 73,998 posts
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    It's a win/win for him, though. His profile has been raised and he can go back to being a rent-a-cunt.... sorry... Journalistic Provocateur and dine out on the 'so called tolerant left' doing him out of the opportunity to help The Kids for the rest of his life.
  • mothercruncher 9 Jan 2018 07:24:07 14,958 posts
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    I’m opening a box of Kleenex and wanking at this great news.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 9 Jan 2018 07:26:34 6,752 posts
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    H1ggyLTD wrote:
    In their eyes Hunt as done a perfect job.
    This is true. Listening to the right wing politics podcast that I do the general sense is that Hunt is well thought of and that any replacement would be someone less talented.

    Also that he wouldn't move unless it was into one of the great offices of state or to challenge for the leadership when May goes.

    Putting social care with health would make plenty of sense from an operational standpoint but you wouldn't trust Hunt with it.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 9 Jan 2018 07:32:15 6,752 posts
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    El_MUERkO wrote:The only way I can see for the UK to thread the eye of the needle and avoid total disaster is if May is forced to call a new election before the end of the year and a Labour-SNP-LibDem coalition is formed with the Lib-Dems and SNP seen to be reigning in Corbyn, a coalition can then call a second referendum which reverses Brexit while blaming it on the LibDems who'll happily take credit.
    Biggest hurdle here is resentment between Labour and the other two is nearly as bad as Labour has for itself. We might not even have a Tory government now if it wasn't for a refusal to cooperate with other 'progressive' parties in 2017.

    Edit: obviously that only works if your single objective is removing the Tories rather than thinking Labour could/should win a majority on their own.

    Edited by simpleexplodingmaybe at 07:52:57 09-01-2018
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