The UK General Politics Thread Page 851

  • simpleexplodingmaybe 26 Feb 2018 18:13:28 6,764 posts
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    It matters a bit since his lot will be the ones running the country post-Brexit with a shitload of stuff still to do on it
  • disusedgenius 26 Feb 2018 18:14:51 9,140 posts
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    It also shores up the pro-EU Tories. At the moment they seem to be losing ground the Leave crowd.
  • Frogofdoom 26 Feb 2018 18:19:20 8,440 posts
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    Isn't the only vote on exiting to accept the deal offered or crash out with no deal though?

    No guarantees he wins the next election either.
  • H1ggyLTD 26 Feb 2018 18:22:14 9,434 posts
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    Virtually guaranteed.
  • disusedgenius 26 Feb 2018 18:29:10 9,140 posts
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    Hardly.
  • H1ggyLTD 26 Feb 2018 18:29:52 9,434 posts
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    I guarantee it.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 26 Feb 2018 18:31:43 6,764 posts
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    It'd take a big gain but at the very least the Tory seats will be reduced to the point where even a second place Labour can form an anti-Tory coalition with the nationalists.

    Assuming they don't alienate everyone else anyway
  • disusedgenius 26 Feb 2018 18:33:22 9,140 posts
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    I'm shocked.
  • Frogofdoom 26 Feb 2018 18:35:23 8,440 posts
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    He could be dead before the next election, he is hardly a spring chicken.
  • Psychotext 26 Feb 2018 18:37:02 63,068 posts
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    Blech... found myself having a discussion on politics / economics with someone who doesn't have the first clue about the basics. I probably should have just let them rant and ignored them.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 26 Feb 2018 18:37:19 6,764 posts
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    Life expectancy among rich old privately educated white guys is pretty comfortable, I'm sure he'll be fine.
  • H1ggyLTD 26 Feb 2018 18:39:01 9,434 posts
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    Frogofdoom wrote:
    He could be dead before the next election, he is hardly a spring chicken.
    Macca would just take over.
  • disusedgenius 26 Feb 2018 18:39:06 9,140 posts
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    Really we should be much more worried about whether May will survive with all those knives in her back.
  • H1ggyLTD 26 Feb 2018 18:45:26 9,434 posts
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    Maybe the May Bot Bots will help her.
  • Frogofdoom 26 Feb 2018 18:49:12 8,440 posts
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    @H1ggyLTD would rather have Starmer tbh.
  • H1ggyLTD 26 Feb 2018 18:50:07 9,434 posts
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    I'd take that.
  • GoatApocalypse 26 Feb 2018 19:37:43 3,979 posts
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    Rebecca Long-Bailey is going to be a star. She needs lining up for a leadership tilt.
  • H1ggyLTD 26 Feb 2018 23:43:05 9,434 posts
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    https://twitter.com/i/moments/968202293328957440
  • Plant 27 Feb 2018 21:23:48 355 posts
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    In a shocking twist it turns out that dear old Max Moseley may (or may not) have committed a little bit of perjury. I'm not going to link to the daily mail but, in what is the most surprising fact about the whole thing, the mail still has at least two real journalists working for it.
  • Rogueywon Most Generous Forumite, 2016 27 Feb 2018 23:40:52 3,536 posts
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    @Plant The Moseley thing is going much wider than the Mail. If he's perjured himself (and it's very much "if" at this stage, though it doesn't look good at first examination), he could be going to jail. Should that happen, Tom Watson, at the very least, will have to resign from Parliament. Other Labour figures (though, oddly, not Corbyn/McDonnell who largely stayed out of this one) may follow. God alone knows what that does to the dynamics of the Labour Party (may even strengthen Corybn's grip).

    We live in interesting times.

    Edited by Rogueywon at 23:42:41 27-02-2018
  • Dougs 28 Feb 2018 07:01:32 85,714 posts
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    Rogueywon wrote:

    We live in interesting times.
    Been a stock phrase since.... Oooh, June 2016
  • GoatApocalypse 28 Feb 2018 07:41:40 3,979 posts
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    Wait - Mosley has been caught lying and in going down, he might take the Melt Tendency with him?
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 28 Feb 2018 07:42:54 6,764 posts
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    I wonder if Corbyn will keep up the trick of answering questions from the activists used to pack the room rather than actual journalists at his press conferences.

    Should go down very well in the online Corb-o-sphere but disappointing (but perhaps not surprising) that someone who liked to big up accountability and democracy when he wanted in has become a big fan of control now he's on top.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 28 Feb 2018 07:43:45 6,764 posts
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    Moseley should be fun if the story grows legs.

    Although more pressure on May etc would be useful
  • Rogueywon Most Generous Forumite, 2016 28 Feb 2018 18:00:09 3,536 posts
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    Mosley story is indeed growing legs. The Daily Mail has passed a file to the CPS, who have asked the Met Police to investigate. Obviously, nothing has yet been proven and the investigation needs to run its course, but... well... a lot of people remember Jonathan Aitken.

    Corbyn's already confirmed the Labour Party will not accept any more donations from Mosley. That's very bad news for Tom Watson. As the Grauniad points out, Watson largely relies on Mosley to fund his large Parliamentary office, which is something of an alternative power center within the party. If we do end up with a perjury trial, this is a very bad story for Labour, whose collective judgement and record over past donations will be questioned (and it likely ends their push for press regulation for good), but nevertheless one that Corbyn can play to his personal advantage within the party.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 28 Feb 2018 18:25:08 6,764 posts
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    Despite him not really being one in the sense they'll mean it I can see a lot of Corbyn fans taking it as the death of the last vestige of the Blair-Brown era.

    I hope they take the sex abuse file seriously and not try to dismiss it as a partisan attack or any other nonsense.
  • Rogueywon Most Generous Forumite, 2016 28 Feb 2018 18:41:04 3,536 posts
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    @simpleexplodingmaybe Watson is very much the most visible vestige of the Brown era. This is what largely drives his crusade against Murdoch.

    Sensing the way the wind was blowing, Murdoch switched the Sun's support from Labour to the Conservatives in 2009. Brown was the kind to take things very personally. He and his inner circle (of whom Watson was very much a core member) were furious over the whole thing and have turned it into a major vendetta, despite the fact that Murdoch was just doing what he always does - trying to make sure he ends up on the winning side (he turned on the Conservatives around 1995 or so).
  • GoatApocalypse 28 Feb 2018 18:54:12 3,979 posts
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    Corbyn can use this to his advantage and to make a broader point about the donations system.
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 3 Mar 2018 09:31:05 6,764 posts
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    Fuck bosses

    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/mar/02/uk-universities-threaten-punish-striking-staff-cancelled-lectures
  • simpleexplodingmaybe 3 Mar 2018 13:37:46 6,764 posts
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    It's the Lib Dem's 30th birthday today

    Cheers Barnesy

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