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@SweetMrGibs yeah it was a great ending. Lots of call back and link ups. New rockstars have dropped their deep dive today. I strongly suggest everyone watches it, sure to give you a deeper satisfaction with the ending. I have gone from it being satisfyingly good to now thinking it was a great ending having watched this breakdown. https://youtu.be/jZwa_Su-2yo |
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DakeyrasUK 5,311 posts
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Lukus 24,639 posts
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Registered 17 years agoDoesn't that just mean you're easily led? -
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Registered 10 years ago@Lukus no, it means he's able to listen. -
DakeyrasUK 5,311 posts
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Registered 8 years agoIt isn't even that the video makes a case against the hate. It just runs through the events and highlights all the links to previous events etc. Discusses hidden meaning in the way the episode was shot. Things like drogon and Jon being shot in the same way as Tyrion and the dragon skull and what that means.
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Registered 8 years agoWhat I liked most was the theme of choice in Jon's story arc. -
garryo'neill 52 posts
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Registered 3 years agoThe Last Watch is up now to watch and it's an incredible watch, a reminder of what an epic show this was and all the hard work that went into it regardless of what you thought about the final season. -
Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agohttps://www.vox.com/culture/2019/5/27/18639229/game-of-thrones-finale-disappointing-the-iron-throne-recap
Here's a thoughtful take on the final season. Yes, it's a mostly negative one, but it doesn't feel hateful or anything like that.
Plus it has a shout-out to The Americans, which I really should have put up as a nomination for "amazing TV endings" back when we were talking about that. Fantastic show. -
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Registered 17 years agoThey kind of shit the bed with this one. But not too bad. More of a slight stain. The Shield had a great ending imo and is still my favourite show of all time. -
Mola_Ram wrote:
That's a well written article, but it basically it's just an eloquent expression of plotting vs. pantsing arguments, along with the generally rushed pacing, which are things that I think even people who liked the last season (like me) can't argue against.
https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/5/27/18639229/game-of-thrones-finale-disappointing-the-iron-throne-recap
Here's a thoughtful take on the final season. Yes, it's a mostly negative one, but it doesn't feel hateful or anything like that.
Plus it has a shout-out to The Americans, which I really should have put up as a nomination for "amazing TV endings" back when we were talking about that. Fantastic show.
I still find much of the negativity towards the final season ridculously overblown though. Not many people in this forum, but if you go to some fan forums (Freefolk on Reddit comes to mind) the outrage is, even now, hilarious.
Looking back over the last season, it's not the best season, but I still think there have been moments in earlier seasons that I disliked more, and the ultimate conclusion I'm still quite happy with. -
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Darth_Flibble 5,592 posts
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Registered 17 years agoglad he didn't go with this
Read George R.R. Martin's Original Game of Thrones Outline
http://mentalfloss.com/article/61515/read-george-rr-martins-original-game-thrones-outline?a_aid=44339
Martin's initial idea features a much smaller cast of characters, but still includes the Lannisters, Starks, Dothrakis, and Targaryens. From there, storylines get pretty radically different. Sansa, for example, marries King Joffrey, bears his son, and, Martin writes, "when the crunch comes she will choose her husband and child over her parents and siblings, a choice she will later bitterly rue."
Arya, meanwhile, falls in love with her half-brother Jon Snow, a man of the Night's Watch who is sworn to celibacy. "Their passion will continue to torment Jon and Arya throughout the trilogy," Martin writes. But this love affair gets even more twisted: Tyrion Lannister falls in love with Arya, who only has eyes for Jon; this leads to "a deadly rivalry between Tyrion and Jon Snow." At one point, Catelyn, Arya, and Bran go North, beyond the wall, and are captured by Mance Rayder. There, they "get a dreadful glimpse of the inhuman others as they attack the wildling encampment." -
glaeken 12,070 posts
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Registered 17 years agoFinally got to the end of this. The biggest issues for my was Bran the broken. That really came out of nowhere and felt like complete bollocks. Some guy who has been acting like a total dick and everything in the real world is beneath him for the last couple of series is now the perfect king? I have thought the last series was pretty weak as a whole but this is by far their biggest mistake. It makes the conclusion totally unsatisfying to me. Up until this reveal I thought the final episode was actually OK but to top the whole show with such a poor piece of writing really is an awful thing to have done.
I don't know what else they could have done in the corner they painted themselves into of course. They made Jon Snow such a weak character by the end I don't think having them somehow become the King would have worked too well though actually it would still have been better than Bran the broken.
I also watched the 2 hour behind the scenes documentary they showed in the GOT slot this week and that's well worth a watch. Really interesting seeing how much work goes on to create the whole thing. Well worth a watch. Oh and for those debating the whole snow vs. ash thing it's definitively answered in the documentary.
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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoI think I would have bought Jon being conflicted about killing Dany more, if he and Dany had had any visible chemistry whatsoever. If it weren't for other characters saying "oh yes, he's totally attracted to her and in love", I never would have guessed. He's just got his normal sad/confused face on. -
glaeken 12,070 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThis is more rushed writing really. They shag at the end of the last series and at the beginning of this one it's just excepted they have some great love but there was no real development of that.
Honestly for me the writing has been pretty poor for the last 2-3 series so I could except general poor writing of a few elements. Its Bran the broken where they have made their biggest mistake and one that casts a shadow over a lot of what led up to this. If it was always the plan to have Bran end up King then the writing was just too weak to make that a believable conclusion.
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Registered 17 years agoGiven that all rulers on the show to this point have been absolutely batshit crazy, murderous twazzocks, incestuous nutbars, or fat whoring louts, I'm surprised that the addition of a cool, calm, detached, and pretty historically informed ruler could elicit that sort of response from you.
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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoYeah I can think of at least two things that Bran brings to the table in terms of ruling. It still was a bit O_o when his name came up (particularly since everyone also seemed to just be ok with it right away), but it's not a terrible choice really.
EDIT: Assuming that he's not an evil mastermind, of course.
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glaeken 12,070 posts
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Registered 17 years agoFor me the Bran character has been detached from reality and seemingly shown to not not care at all about what's going on in the real world. What was their contribution to this series exactly? Sitting around doing nothing and acting like they were above it all? What was the point of them during their showdown with the Knight King? Bait?
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Registered 17 years agoMy takeaway from the Bran character over the last few seasons is that he's been somewhat orchestrating this. We know from the whole Hodor thing how much direct influence he could assert, who's to say how much of that got us to where we ended up? Who's to say every time he's said to someone "you have to make this choice" is horseshit because he probably/possibly knows anyways.
For the record: I think the whole show is a steaming turd, so I wasn't massively invested in which dysfunctional prick "won" in the end. I was watching it more from a "people will watch any old shit as long as there's nudity" car-crash perspective, and to see what 'the yoot' were into..gif)
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Mola_Ram 26,187 posts
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Registered 9 years agoIf you accept that he can warg into and control humans, all bets are off. Every single stupid, out-of-character decision that everyone makes can be explained by "a tree wizard did it". -
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Registered 13 years ago@Phattso You watched eight seasons of a steaming turd? Come on. Trying a bit hard there surely -
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Registered 12 years agoI was fine with Bran being on the throne, for the reasons Phattso mentioned a few posts up. In fact, I was fine with most of the plot points themselves, I just thought it all felt far too rushed. I think there's a really good ending in there, had they taken the time to properly build it out. -
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Registered 17 years ago@monkman76 Kinda. I missed the first five seasons as I was living overseas and it just wasn't that big a thing where I was. I binged the first five seasons out of boredom when I got back to the UK (... which basically went, politics, politics, politics, TITS, BLOOD, politics, WANG, politics, politics, TITS, politics...) and then have casually caught up with the rest at some point after they've aired.
This last season was the first I've bothered to watch "live" and, in fairness, I enjoyed it more for reading theories and shit that was going on outside of the broadcasts. But the show itself? Yeah, not really for me. Nice to see high budget fantasy on TV, and I did enjoy bits of the intrigue, but it was so squarely aimed at titillation for so much of its run I never really took it seriously. -
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Registered 17 years ago@Phattso I could buy all of that if there had been any real hint of depth about Bran but I just don't see it.
Bran has been a dull character with one of the weaker story lines of the whole thing and this becomes the man with the story that should make them King.
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Registered 16 years agoTo be fair...... they did say he could only warg into Hodor because he's special needs and the reason he is was part of a 'with great power comes great responsibility' lesson where he learned not to fuck with the past.
The show actually went to some length to make his magic super powers as mundane as possible as quickly as possible. He went from 'wizard' to 'the internet' in like three episodes. -
glaeken 12,070 posts
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Registered 17 years agoRor wrote:
I don't dispute it could have worked. With much better writing it certainly could have worked.
I was fine with Bran being on the throne, for the reasons Phattso mentioned a few posts up. In fact, I was fine with most of the plot points themselves, I just thought it all felt far too rushed. I think there's a really good ending in there, had they taken the time to properly build it out.
It's like Danny turning to the dark side. It was just too rushed.
These turn of events needed more build up to them over a longer arc.
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Registered 12 years agoMola_Ram wrote:
Is it his legs? Because I have some bad news for you.
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Registered 12 years agoBran as king works, I think. Perfect knowledge of history, complete lack of self interest and the ability to spot another Littlefinger from a mile away.
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I had no problem with the ending, or the final series as a whole in general. Being shortened to six episodes hurt the storytelling, add in the fact that two of them were just 90 minute long fight scenes and you're down to 4 episodes to tell the story. -
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Why anyone would subject themselves to about a hundred hours of television they thought was shit is utterly beyond me.
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