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I can't imagine what else they'll announce at E3. New Zelda's coming out soon, we've already had two 3D Marios, and I have no idea where Metroid is headed. Unless Pikmin 3 finally makes an appearance, or they resurrect yet another old IP. Maybe another Wii Sports? Put it this way, unless they announce its successor this year, Wii-wise E3 will most likely be even more disappointing than usual. Maybe some more casual crap, like Wii Music, to extend its lifespan, or something to do with the vitality sensor. |
The Wii is "history" says EA. • Page 11
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Kay 21,321 posts
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Think you're about right there, Kay.
I'm expecting Wii at E3 to be pretty much a no-show from Nintendo's PoV. Ramping up development of new hardware and software to support it at launch will no doubt be a current priority in Kyoto so perhaps a couple of swansong titles to keep the fans happy but nothing spectacular.
Last I heard, Metroid has going to be mothballed on home consoles for a generation or so. Would probably benefit from that tbh. -
Cappy 14,394 posts
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Registered 16 years agomad-hacker wrote:
I think you need to look a bit harder. The DS is sub-N64, the 3DS is between Gamecube and Xbox. The hardware features have been broken down on many sites, and devs are already talking about them as well.
I think opinions have been coloured by the rather bullshottish screens initially released after the reveal.
In terms of real world performance rather than demos the 3DS is nowhere near the Gamecube or Xbox, PS2 Even. Tales of the Abyss reveals significant graphical cutbacks compared to the PS2 version, the characters may be there mostly but the game world has been stripped down entirely to something more akin to a PS1 game.
I'd say the 3DS is more like Nintendo finally catching up with the PSP. -
Dolly 3,653 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI reckon the Vitality Sensor will be the main controller for the Wii2. You'll have to wear it and carry the console round with you for long 10 mile walks each day if you want to earn 'coins' to play a game on it. -
mad-hacker wrote:
Third party publishers/developers enjoy new hardware as it is pretty much guaranteed to have very good initial sales.
I know they are concerned about the ennui surrounding the Wii, but I really can't picture Nintendo leading the start of the next generation, mostly because I can't see third party developers being interested in tooling up for such a risky new platform. Multiplatforming is going to be the only way that some third parties will even survive. Seems much more likely to me that they'll try and replicate the success of Wii Fit or Mario Kart before they'd try a new console.
They only ditch a platform once the profitability has gone through a tail-off in sales through stagnation of the market/dying tech. Multiplatform definitely goes some way to recoup massive budgets on the HD consoles/PCs but of course third parties will be happy to tool up for a "risky new platform". -
Cappy wrote:
Erm, SF4?!
mad-hacker wrote:
I think you need to look a bit harder. The DS is sub-N64, the 3DS is between Gamecube and Xbox. The hardware features have been broken down on many sites, and devs are already talking about them as well.
I think opinions have been coloured by the rather bullshottish screens initially released after the reveal.
In terms of real world performance rather than demos the 3DS is nowhere near the Gamecube or Xbox, PS2 Even. Tales of the Abyss reveals significant graphical cutbacks compared to the PS2 version, the characters may be there mostly but the game world has been stripped down entirely to something more akin to a PS1 game.
I'd say the 3DS is more like Nintendo finally catching up with the PSP. -
nickthegun 87,712 posts
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Registered 16 years agoWhich has static backgrounds. -
JuanKerr 37,710 posts
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Registered 15 years agoMust be unplayable then. -
JetSetWilly 5,720 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI think the issue for Nintendo is not whether they've got any IP left in their locker but whether the existing installed base is still active/interested enough in Wii to care and whether those IP are of interest to what's left of the market to sell into. If they come to E3 with just Vitality Sensor then I think they have become entirely delusional.
They must have shifted what close on 90 million units? And here we are talking about it as a dead platform that major third-parties simply aren't arsed about anymore. That's pretty good going. -
matt6666 2,620 posts
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Registered 13 years agoHope the 3ds is good.. 200 fookin notes.. Jesus. -
Cappy 14,394 posts
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Registered 16 years agoecosse_011172 wrote:
You're using a rush-job port as a reference?
Who says Tales of the Abyss is a rush-job port?
Considering the amount of reworking done it's far from a rush job. They could easily have selected one of the technically less impressive PS2 Tales games if they wanted to do a rushed port. -
Jazzy_Geoff 8,068 posts
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Registered 12 years agoDS - runs slightly downgraded N64 game
3DS - runs slightly upgraded N64 game
when I see it running windwaker then I'll believe it's as powerful as a gamecube -
Jazzy_Geoff 8,068 posts
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So, Wii is "history" eh!! EH!!!?? -
pigsy2400 161 posts
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Registered 18 years agoHmmm,. it will continue selling to the masses for a good few years, and was the first system that grabbed the masses wallets, grannies playing bowling in retirement homes!!! I have seen it, it wouldnt happen with split screen Call of duty would it??
The Wii will decline though I believe alot quicker than PS3 or Xbox 360. Nintendo should have a Next Gen console out before the others, funny though I think.
Nintendo have always been the innovators, Rumble Packs?? First decent 3d platformer?? Motion controllers, touch screen. Although my Wii is now consigned to the Spare room where all my old consoles go to die.
What will the Wii 2 have that is innovative and new to grab peoples wallets again, where is left to go???? An upgraded wii I think, will be a bit of a cop-out. -
MoGamer2006 1,088 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI reckon Nintendo's E3 this year will be all about the 3DS - with the main focus being on Super Mario 3DS along with, no doubt, one or two other 'surprises' (I'd put money on a Pokemon Black/White 3DS-only reworking and maybe some sort of hardcore game, Metroid maybe).
I sincerely doubt they'd want to defuse the buzz of the 3DS's launch year with news of a Wii successor, especially since the machine is still selling well enough (if not as much as it used to). We might get a dribble of news around Space World time, but it'll be E3 2012 before we see any real announcements. -
Darren 9,637 posts
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Registered 17 years agoKay wrote:
I can't imagine what else they'll announce at E3. New Zelda's coming out soon, we've already had two 3D Marios, and I have no idea where Metroid is headed. Unless Pikmin 3 finally makes an appearance, or they resurrect yet another old IP. Maybe another Wii Sports?
Put it this way, unless they announce its successor this year, Wii-wise E3 will most likely be even more disappointing than usual. Maybe some more casual crap, like Wii Music, to extend its lifespan, or something to do with the vitality sensor.
It saddens me to admit it but I completely agree with what you've written.
I've been a fan of Nintendo's consoles since the N64 and even thought the GameCube was much unappreciated but the Wii has just been a massive, massive disappointment for me despite all the potential it had. It has, at most, two decent games per year (2010 had Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Donkey Kong Country Returns for example) and little else to offer the core gamer. If it was my only experience with consoles it would have put me off videogames for life!
Well, maybe not, but it's been a let down nevertheless: far too few core games, too much reliance on gimmicky party/casual games and peripherals. It's depressing to think that any announcement of a Wii 2 even with HD visuals (which would have had me jumping for joy at one time) isn't likely to do anything to increase my enthusiasm as a console is NOTHING without a steady stream of decent games to play on it. Nintendo have always been poor at supporting their own consoles with first-party games but the Wii seems to have suffered more, perhaps because some of these first-party titles are dross like Wii Music and Wii Fit which I wouldn't even class as entertainment. I doubt I'll even bother buying a Wii 2 or whatever it's called at launch; I'll wait five years until there's some games worth buying it for! -
SirScratchalot 7,921 posts
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Registered 16 years agoLeolian'sBro wrote:
Boom Blox bash party probaly...
What was the last good game EA made on the Wii? -
SirScratchalot 7,921 posts
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Registered 16 years agoDirtbox wrote:
Maybe. But it still feels like buying a puzzle with a few pieces missing.
The thing about DLC is it's optional. No one's twisting your arm.
It's still a nice enough picture sure, but that missing cloud there really bugs me. -
SirScratchalot 7,921 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI have now read through the entire thread and found it well mannered and entertaining, while talking to myself.
Well done everyone! -
Darren wrote:
Kay wrote:
I can't imagine what else they'll announce at E3. New Zelda's coming out soon, we've already had two 3D Marios, and I have no idea where Metroid is headed. Unless Pikmin 3 finally makes an appearance, or they resurrect yet another old IP. Maybe another Wii Sports?
Put it this way, unless they announce its successor this year, Wii-wise E3 will most likely be even more disappointing than usual. Maybe some more casual crap, like Wii Music, to extend its lifespan, or something to do with the vitality sensor.
It saddens me to admit it but I completely agree with what you've written.
I've been a fan of Nintendo's consoles since the N64 and even thought the GameCube was much unappreciated but the Wii has just been a massive, massive disappointment for me despite all the potential it had. It has, at most, two decent games per year (2010 had Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Donkey Kong Country Returns for example) and little else to offer the core gamer. If it was my only experience with consoles it would have put me off videogames for life!
Well, maybe not, but it's been a let down nevertheless: far too few core games, too much reliance on gimmicky party/casual games and peripherals. It's depressing to think that any announcement of a Wii 2 even with HD visuals (which would have had me jumping for joy at one time) isn't likely to do anything to increase my enthusiasm as a console is NOTHING without a steady stream of decent games to play on it. Nintendo have always been poor at supporting their own consoles with first-party games but the Wii seems to have suffered more, perhaps because some of these first-party titles are dross like Wii Music and Wii Fit which I wouldn't even class as entertainment. I doubt I'll even bother buying a Wii 2 or whatever it's called at launch; I'll wait five years until there's some games worth buying it for!
I dunno. I've been a Nintendo fan since the Colecovision, and I think the Wii has been fantastic.
The whole idea of "hardcore" vs "casual" is a silly one to me, but it seems to continue to proliferate on games forums. Personally I play all sorts of different games on the Wii, from Little King's Story to Tatsunoko to Sin and Punishment 2 etc etc. I've got a fairly big games library now with zero silly cheapo Flash-type games that owners of other consoles seem to imagine all Wii gamers are playing.
I think there has been a misunderstanding of just what Nintendo got right this generation, but then with such a vocal majority across the net I shouldn't be too surprised by that. I'm not too disappointed by what EA are saying here, as they are probably right - the Wii is coming to its natural conclusion. I'm just annoyed by how it's been put. -
AlcohollicA 2,377 posts
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Registered 18 years agoDarren wrote:
Kay wrote:
I can't imagine what else they'll announce at E3. New Zelda's coming out soon, we've already had two 3D Marios, and I have no idea where Metroid is headed. Unless Pikmin 3 finally makes an appearance, or they resurrect yet another old IP. Maybe another Wii Sports?
Put it this way, unless they announce its successor this year, Wii-wise E3 will most likely be even more disappointing than usual. Maybe some more casual crap, like Wii Music, to extend its lifespan, or something to do with the vitality sensor.
It saddens me to admit it but I completely agree with what you've written.
I've been a fan of Nintendo's consoles since the N64 and even thought the GameCube was much unappreciated but the Wii has just been a massive, massive disappointment for me despite all the potential it had. It has, at most, two decent games per year (2010 had Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Donkey Kong Country Returns for example) and little else to offer the core gamer. If it was my only experience with consoles it would have put me off videogames for life!
Well, maybe not, but it's been a let down nevertheless: far too few core games, too much reliance on gimmicky party/casual games and peripherals. It's depressing to think that any announcement of a Wii 2 even with HD visuals (which would have had me jumping for joy at one time) isn't likely to do anything to increase my enthusiasm as a console is NOTHING without a steady stream of decent games to play on it. Nintendo have always been poor at supporting their own consoles with first-party games but the Wii seems to have suffered more, perhaps because some of these first-party titles are dross like Wii Music and Wii Fit which I wouldn't even class as entertainment. I doubt I'll even bother buying a Wii 2 or whatever it's called at launch; I'll wait five years until there's some games worth buying it for!
I don't understand this. Nintendo has released more core games for the Wii than it did for the N64 and Gamecube. We have had games from most of the big franchises. 3 Mario platformers. What more do you want from them? Nintendo is doing their part, it's 3rd parties that are letting the side down. -
dsmx 8,640 posts
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Registered 16 years ago3rd parties never seem to be sure what they wanted to do with the wii though, EA didn't even really bother with the wii when it launched and that attitude continued sure they had a presence but they never really put a huge amount of effort in.
There just seemed to be a general attitude outside of nintendo that publishers wanted it to fail. -
The most obvious prediction is that, whatever the Wii-successor is, if it is not surprising then it will not be popular.
Nintendo are either going to 'do a Gamecube' and be technically good but otherwise mediocre, or 'do a Virtual Boy' and just be way out there on the edge of reason.
I know which one I enjoy them doing.
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