Borderlands 2 Page 78

  • Tryhard 8 Oct 2012 13:42:59 12,014 posts
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    You can kick people if they are ruining your co-op experience.So I do not see that as a problem.
  • dsmx 8 Oct 2012 14:07:09 8,230 posts
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    It's giving people without hacking the game to be able to 1 hit kill most things and anything that powerful either needs to be taken out the game or be nerfed.

    On the subject of the lower amount of gun combinations in some respects that's a good thing, the problem with the first borderlands was the shear amount of shit guns in it. The sea of awful guns you had to wade through to get something half decent was insane. Borderlands 2 may have less guns overall but it has a far higher proportion of decent guns to chose from.

    Edited by dsmx at 14:27:41 08-10-2012
  • mothercruncher 8 Oct 2012 14:30:20 14,789 posts
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    Um, do I ever get to spend all of this money I'm amassing?

    I'm level 20 and sitting on 40k I've got nothing worth buying with... aside from spunking it on fruit machines.
  • dsmx 8 Oct 2012 14:31:49 8,230 posts
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    Spend it in the vending machines then, there's sometimes some really nice stuff from the deal of the day.
  • mikew1985 8 Oct 2012 14:56:51 14,512 posts
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    There was an awesome orange weapon deal of the day in the guns vendor for me yesterday but I couldn't afford it at 150k.

    I was panicked for about 10 seconds trying to think of any possible way to make up the cash (and cursing my frivellous tipping of moxxi earlier that evening). Had to just let it time out :(


    So close...
  • bbvDJC 8 Oct 2012 14:58:22 1,987 posts
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    I agree with ecu in a way, the guns were a lot better in BL1.

    Overall though it doesn't detract from the game in my opinion.
  • minky-kong 8 Oct 2012 15:03:39 13,483 posts
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    Anyone know a good place to get a purple or better relic? It's the only thing I need to get that "equip all purple or higher gear" achievement.
  • mikew1985 8 Oct 2012 15:09:47 14,512 posts
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    I don't know, granted I never really got into the first but this seems a much better game to me, much more interesting overall.
  • Deleted user 8 October 2012 15:19:06
    ecureuil wrote:
    Shikasama wrote:
    ecureuil wrote:
    It's not a problem if this is a random option on the gun, but this is tied to every single Jacobs assault rifle. In the first game, these weapon gimmicks were a random chance and not assigned to a manufacturer. You'd get mashers, shotguns that shot a smiley face, enormous magazine sizes, anarchy's (double bullet stream), It Shoots Rockets, thumpers, and it was randomly assigned. All this is now gone, and replaced with one gimmick per manufacturer. It severely reduces the variation in weapons.
    It also led to the vast, vast majority of stuff you picked up being utterly worthless though. You kept guns an awful lot longer in Borderlands 1 because there was such little point in swapping them for anything else that wasn't a named weapon.
    It's the opposite way around for me, and by reading some of the posts on the official forums, I know I'm not alone in this. In the first game I'd switch weapons constantly, every weapons chest you'd find something great, even random enemies and skags would drop better weapons. Almost everything that drops in BL2 is vendor fodder, and that's because they've removed all the variables that made weapons interesting. Loot chests in BL2 have really lost their magic for me.
    Loot chests were shit in BL1, so that's pretty odd.
  • pinebear 8 Oct 2012 15:26:50 8,564 posts
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    I'd have to agree with Red, perhaps it's a fickle memory but I don't recall getting great weapons from loot chests in comparison to random drops. Perhaps a few times, giving me undue expectations of a incendiary sniper or SMG, but not regularly.

    Farming loot chests, sure, but usually in order to sell their contents. Certainly the vending machines in the Claptrap loot room were a great help in that regard.
  • Deleted user 8 October 2012 15:41:30
    ecureuil wrote:
    No they weren't. That's a crazy statement, they were the best thing about the game and you quite clearly get MUCH better loot from them than you do in this game. People farms the Claptrap loot room and Knoxx's Armory like crazy, ain't nobody farming any loot chests in BL2 because you never get anything good from them. Can't even get legendaries from the best loot chest in the game.
    I never played the DLC much - all I remember is the odd loot chest having some fun guns in, but clearly random, and then those ones on the roof areas of that town, which you could save/load farm. It wasn't very exciting.

    By shit I mean 'part of a poor system' rather than never having anything great in them. I never felt BL got loot right for me: I never had the same feeling as that in WoW, for instance. Different games I know, but loot is crucial to both.

    Edited by RedSparrows at 15:42:25 08-10-2012
  • bbvDJC 8 Oct 2012 15:49:23 1,987 posts
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    I kind of like the characters in BL1 better too.

    Although I've just started a 'zerker and its quite fun.
  • Deleted user 8 October 2012 15:52:26
    mikew1985 wrote:
    I don't know, granted I never really got into the first but this seems a much better game to me, much more interesting overall.
    This.
  • PearOfAnguish 8 Oct 2012 16:06:14 7,573 posts
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    I'd like some weapon customisation, slots for adding damage, effects, mag size, scopes etc.
  • mikew1985 8 Oct 2012 16:07:58 14,512 posts
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    I don't know, I have used numerous Maliwan SMG's and a lot of them have felt very different to me.

    The different effects and firing behaviours have all be interesting.
  • MatMan562 8 Oct 2012 16:46:27 3,425 posts
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    To me, the loot in this game feels like there's loads more variety than there was in the original, I get that the numbers are vastly reduced but each gun feels much more unique to eachother than the original ever did. I've been constantly changing weapons in BL2 whereas I rarely changed weapons in the original. Likewise, i've been looking at the full stats for each item whereas I only ever really checked the damage/ capacity in the original (though that could be more due to a personal change rather than anything the gamed did).

    I do agree that the loot chests don't seem to be as important as before but I think that is more down the regular drops being much better. In the original it would always be the same weapons being dropped by the same enemy type, Rowdy Machine Guns from a specific bandit type for example. I haven't noticed that this time so i'm always checking all the loot that gets dropped.
  • FogHeart 8 Oct 2012 17:33:17 1,249 posts
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    It seems to me the changes have 'flattened out' the graph a bit. Guns are consistently OK but never way too powerful or utterly useless. This way the red-text guns you get as part of quests are still big events and you want to use them straight away, whereas they could be a bit meh in BL1 since you'd picked up something better in a random drop or chest. I'm guessing that Gearbox saw the stats in BL1 and found that so many chests were opened per player that they were eventually finding a really rare item and sticking with it for a long time, so quest reward guns got ignored. That's not good because you felt like you were getting ripped off when the quest was complete.
  • themanfromdelmonte 8 Oct 2012 17:50:13 709 posts
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    I'm still ignoring Quest guns, just because they don't feel like they're mine. I know apart from buying from Marcus, you're tea-leafing all of them. But a good gun dropped by a grunt, just makes it easier to identify it as my character's. As opposed to one coming from a specific character, where I'll always think "This is/was insert boss name's gun."
  • Jazzassin 8 Oct 2012 18:32:10 75 posts
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    ecureuil wrote:
    It's pretty clear to me that the loot system has regressed in the second game though. The numbers don't lie, there really are far fewer combinations...
    Errr... that is, if the numbers some random guy on a forum posted are accurate, and he didn't leave anything out. We all know people on the Internet never distort the truth to try and prove their point...

    Gearbox has said this game has tons more guns than the first one, I'd trust them more.

    I've personally experienced more variety of gun effects (not looks) in this game, but then I never played the DLC of the first one much.
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