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Dougs 100,414 posts
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I changed the title, I didn't like the TV comparison bit*
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Book 1 great
Book 2 Good
Book 3 Awesome
Book 4 What the fuck is this?!
Book 5 It took you THAT long to say that?! 400 pages out of 1000 worth reading.
Feast for Crows and most of Dance with Dragons seriously damaged my love of the serious it's meandering WAY to much but he seems to have realised this in the last third of Dance with Dragons. The fuck wit better not go off on another tangent. -
Scimarad 9,964 posts
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Registered 18 years agoI have to agree; What is it about certain fantasy authors that feel the have to meander all over the place?
I'm a Stephen King fan and I enjoy the way he can waffle on about anything while keeping me interested in all the ordinary stuff. Something about the last two of Martin's Ice and Fire series constantly had me checking how far I was from the end, though. Maybe it's the difference between having a good story and being a good storyteller or something... -
Nanocrystal 2,575 posts
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Registered 12 years agoI could have forgiven ADwD for being so ponderous if all the narratives had actually come to a decent climax, but the book seemed to abruptly stop just before the shit hit the fan. I've heard that this was at the suggestion of GRRM's publisher. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoScimarad wrote:
The bigger you get, the less you are edited. See also: harry potter
I have to agree; What is it about certain fantasy authors that feel the have to meander all over the place? -
shamblemonkee 17,967 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI imagined Asha would be a bit prettier / less pudgy than she is i nthe TV series. Doesn't look like a woman who leads. -
Dougs 100,414 posts
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Registered 18 years agoTrue that. -
Mekanik 4,729 posts
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Registered 17 years agoLoved these books. Need to pick up the latest one.
Managed to read them all (at work when not busy offshore...) in the space of a month or so. Best way to read a series.
Now if only he could write the remaining ones at the same pace i would be happy. -
shamblemonkee wrote:
Agreed 100%
I imagined Asha would be a bit prettier / less pudgy than she is i nthe TV series. Doesn't look like a woman who leads. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoThey more or less have. She gets like one scene per episode, which is plenty. -
That vague background threat becomes the entire point of the series...at least I hope that's where the meandering wanker is leading too. -
Salaman 24,162 posts
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Registered 17 years agoI completely forgot that last November I ordered a bunch of books from Play.com using vouchers I got from my colleagues when I left my last job 2 years ago. The vouchers were in pounds and needed a UK delivery address.
Arrived at my friend's this Thursday past, whilst on vacation in the UK, and there was a bunch of Play packages waiting for me. No clue anymore what I bought last November. So well pleased the Dance with Dragons pt1&pt2 books were in it.
Struggling a bit to get back into the story (not the books themselves). I read the initial set of books in September-October, so at the start of every chapter there was a "wait, who was this again?" or a "hmm, what did this one do to end up here again?" moment.
I'm nearly half way through part 1 now and once more my inner monologue has turned into very RR Martinesque.
Catching up on the first 2 episodes of season 2 tonight as well. \0/ -
I have a theory that fantasy authors should stick to trilogies. Any longer than that and there are always problems with bloat and pacing. Robert Jordan had the same problems as Martin has now. -
LeoliansBro wrote:
The bit in the spoilers there is just another meandering side story. If she doesn't reach westeros he can go fucking die now. I'll finish the story.
Bless for thinking there's a point to the series.
Dany's already been gazumped by her legit brother, so why do we care about her Arabian Nights subplot? And no his continued existence and indeed survival isn't a 'well worked and foreshadowed shock-reveal', it's a 'hasty and clunky introduction to give Tyrion some importance and symptomatic of GRRM's character-incontinence'.
She shouldn't even have one scene, she should be offscreen, mentioned in a throwaway fashion every couple of episodes, and then used as a big reveal end of season whatever. You can fill in the relevant bits of her backstory with ten second exposition flashbacks from there as appropriate. -
Something has to tie in all the way. They can't all just wither away and die...actually they can and I can see the cock sucker actually doing that.
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shamblemonkee 17,967 posts
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Registered 17 years agoJust so long as he doesn't do another book 4 and introduce a whole other heap of people just to sttring it out while leaving the main points hanging. -
Well there are only 2 books left apparently. I should've stopped reading after the red wedding and imagined the comet hitting westeros as punishment for mankind from the tree gods.
Would probably be better than the bullshit that awaits.
I hope HBO have writters working in parallel to GRRM otherwise I fear the awesome TV series will experience the same fate as the books.
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nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI have to say, one of the reasons I stopped at book 3. Im not a fan of things that are relentlessly bleak (the reason why I stopped reading the walking dead) so with no resolution in sight and the main cast who I had grown attached to largely dead, i just thought 'fuck it'. -
jakuande 191 posts
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Registered 15 years agonickthegun wrote:
Fair point, its all fine and well killing off so many main characters that your reader never knows who will make it through the series, it creates a certain amount of tension. But... there's a reason why this doesn't normally happen (or at least not to the same degree as it does here!) Readers are invested in the characters and if all their favourites get killed or sidelined then what reason do they have for continuing with the story?
the main cast who I had grown attached to largely dead, i just thought 'fuck it'.
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nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI think he would say 'this is the story of westeros' as opposed to the story of House Stark or House Lannister, but its still very difficult to continue with a story without a 'lead character'.
I think the TV series is going to suffer doubly for it to be honest because, as rare as it is in fiction, its almost unheard of in television. I wouldnt be surprised if it was canned before it can play out, let alone catch up to the books as people are worried about. -
shamblemonkee 17,967 posts
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Registered 17 years agoyou meant it isn't the Tyrion Saga? those are the only chapters i read .gif)
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the 'Daenerys sitting around eating figs' saga
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