Whats with the Wii U hate on the Internet? • Gaming • Wii • Eurogamer.net

C.CFanboy 26 Jun 2011 19:57:58 44 posts
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If this goes against any rules sorry I'm new here. I am interested to see how people here feel about Wii U. Maybe its because I've been looking on the wrong sites. Even to this day I see articles on "why Wii U is doomed to fail". Every time something new comes along the Internet writes articles on how lame it is. Take Kinect for example. People were positive because of the type of fanbase MS have its surely dead on arrival and we all know how that turned out.

I love the idea. Every time a soap opera comes on my family kick me off it. Now because its on a small screen I don't have to worry. And the games lineup is cool. Ninja Gaiden is my favourite series so its nice to see it on my favourite developer's console. I have seen some nice articles about Wii U but for every one of them there are 5 anti articles.

Provided Nintendo get the price right this will sell very well. Some people will want a new system to try out anyway and Nintendo's games always sell because they are brilliant. Am I the only one seeing good in it?

Deleted user 26 June 2011 19:59:30

I think things are pretty positive here to be honest.

It's too early for me to really care about it though.

MrVengeance 26 Jun 2011 20:14:02 133 posts
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My issue with it is that it is sooo long away from launch, and its only as powerful as the current systems today. It will be outdated tech when it launches.

Having said that, I don't mind all that much personally that the Wii is barely more powerful than the Gamecube. My major gripe with the Wii is its lack of HD output and the fact that you are often forced to use motion controls when you don't want to owing to them not being suitable for the game in question.

The new controller is cool but will it really make all that much difference to the gameplay?

I'd much rather a new, more powerful Nintendo system with a proper, traditional controller and a raft of updated classics such as F-Zero, Wave Race, etc. That probalby would sell all that well though would it? Who knows.

Deleted user 26 June 2011 20:19:12

The Wii looked shit and ended up being this shit. This looks shit and ...

Syrette 26 Jun 2011 20:22:20 51,181 posts
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I think the cynicism is justified.

Its main USPs are

- you can continue your game if a family member/housemate wants to use the TV

Cool, don't get me wrong, but lots of us don't share the ons screen.

- Nintendo games in HD

Again, a positive move, I look forward to seeing how they turn out; but I've been HD gaming for years now so it's not a big deal to me.

- The in-game possibilities the controller screen could feature.

I'm completely unconvinced by this and can't think of any significant uses. Gimmick is the word I'd use at the moment - but I'm willing to be proved wrong.

- Better third party support.

Means nothing to me - I'm not a Nintendo console-only sort of person.

GuiltySpark 26 Jun 2011 20:22:21 6,790 posts
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Unfortunately for Nintendo, graphics do matter. It's not even a case of gameplay over graphics either, games like Zelda are laughably archaic in their mechanics. The Wii was awful, people derided it for good reason. Selling well is not an indication of quality.

Regardless, the Wii U is trying to be different, and succeeding obviously. Now if it can do what the Wii promised, and not just shoehorn shit versions of Xbox/PS3 games onto it's ageing hardware with awful controls, then it'll actually have a chance of being good.

Also, release more than two games a year that are any good. Seriously, owning just a Wii has never been an option for any sane person.

Tonka 26 Jun 2011 20:39:53 31,980 posts
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GuiltySpark wrote:
The Wii was awful, people derided it for good reason. Selling well is not an indication of quality.

Oh please, not this nonsense again.
If the Wii was shit it would have died like the Virtual Boy. The Wii with Wii Sports is pure briliance. Nintendo (or anyone else) failed to deliver another game like that though.

Deleted user 26 June 2011 20:43:55

GuiltySpark wrote:

Unfortunately for Nintendo, graphics do matter. It's not even a case of gameplay over graphics either, games like Zelda are laughably archaic in their mechanics. The Wii was awful, people derided it for good reason. Selling well is not an indication of quality.

Laughably archaic compared to what? The Wii has many faults, but the gameplay of their first party stuff isn't one of them.

Deleted user 26 June 2011 20:48:45

GuiltySpark wrote:
The Wii was awful, people derided it for good reason. Selling well is not an indication of quality.

In the case of Hardcore Gamers Demanding Quality vs. The Fucking Real World, all you have to do is call the Dreamcast to the stand and your side loses, buddy.

I'd make a killing as a pointless game argument attorney. I bet I could charge $100 an hour.

beastmaster 26 Jun 2011 20:54:37 22,373 posts
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User expectation. It's going to be 5-10* better graphics that the 360 and PS3. Combined!

I don't think anyones really got any problems with it not reading BR or DVDs.

senso-ji 26 Jun 2011 20:56:52 10,271 posts
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I think the reason why there is so much negativity towards the Wii U (not necessarily on this forum) is that people don't really know much about it, and so are basing their judgements on an E3 keynote speech and some flashy promotional videos.

When it's released and we've all had a chance to try it, you may see a change in attitudes (or maybe not).

GuiltySpark 26 Jun 2011 21:00:38 6,790 posts
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Stompy wrote:

GuiltySpark wrote:
The Wii was awful, people derided it for good reason. Selling well is not an indication of quality.

In the case of Hardcore Gamers Demanding Quality vs. The Fucking Real World, all you have to do is call the Dreamcast to the stand and your side loses, buddy.

I'd make a killing as a pointless game argument attorney. I bet I could charge $100 an hour.

I'm not a hardcore gamer, and I'm not sad enough to have a side.

The Wii was not very good. It had hardly any games, it's release schedule was pitiful, the graphics were last gen, games like Mario Galaxy can cover that up with art design to a point, but even that has its limits.

I'm not sure why you're on about the Dreamcast, I think you might be a bit confused, don't worry about it, buddy.

GuiltySpark 26 Jun 2011 21:02:31 6,790 posts
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Tonka wrote:

GuiltySpark wrote:
The Wii was awful, people derided it for good reason. Selling well is not an indication of quality.

Oh please, not this nonsense again.
If the Wii was shit it would have died like the Virtual Boy. The Wii with Wii Sports is pure briliance. Nintendo (or anyone else) failed to deliver another game like that though.

Erm, exactly? Not really sure what you're saying. Mentioning a release mini game that came free with the console is not helping anything.

MiniAmin 26 Jun 2011 21:02:51 3,799 posts
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Tonka wrote:

GuiltySpark wrote:
The Wii was awful, people derided it for good reason. Selling well is not an indication of quality.

Oh please, not this nonsense again.
If the Wii was shit it would have died like the Virtual Boy. The Wii with Wii Sports is pure briliance. Nintendo (or anyone else) failed to deliver another game like that though.

Let's not drift down this fatigued tangent again.

There are many shit things which persist. As a gaming console, from the perspective of a website which contains a forum inhabited by gamers who'd mostly identify themselves as "hardcore" (without getting into the semantics of that term itself), the Wii wasn't a great console.

Personally, I think the Wii was okay. It was the first console which generated interest from my family, it was played for a while and then forgotten about. For the "hardcore" gamer it had a few quality titles, but in terms of graphics, online, HD, and 3rd party support, it was woeful.

Kosmoz 26 Jun 2011 21:05:02 8,184 posts
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People hate it because its name sounds like a car alarm going off.

GuiltySpark 26 Jun 2011 21:10:56 6,790 posts
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It is a god awful name, I must admit. Wii was not a brilliant name either, just one more step into Nintendo appealing to "the family" with a cutesy name.

Wii U does not mean anything. "Wii" obviously have connotations towards the family being a "we" and playing together. "Wii U" means fuck all. Seriously, what does the U mean? Would Wii G been any different? Wii K?

Dirtbox 26 Jun 2011 21:16:32 92,596 posts
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rock27gr 26 Jun 2011 21:18:07 6,439 posts
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Well for me as a tamer who has 4 unoppened games for the Wii sitting on the shelf, as well as more on the to-buy list, the Wii wasn't at all shit.

The 3rd parties "efforts" were certainly shit for the most part, robbing us of some potentially inspired wiimote games, but there's certainly lots of good games out there to fill the Wii shelf.

DFawkes 26 Jun 2011 21:27:13 32,791 posts
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All the cool kids hate everything nowadays. If you hate everything, you never risk liking stuff that's shit, or that ends up shit.

GuiltySpark 26 Jun 2011 21:28:59 6,790 posts
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rock27gr wrote:
Well for me as a tamer who has 4 unoppened games for the Wii sitting on the shelf, as well as more on the to-buy list, the Wii wasn't at all shit.

So you have four (not to mention unopened) games on top of your Wii? Not to sound picky but that is not an indication of anything, four is not a big number, I have 40+ Xbox games.

The Wii is at the end of it's life, you would be immensely worried if the decent games weren't piling up now. People seem weirdly complacent with Nintendo, aslong as they get a Mario or a Zelda thrown at them every few years then they seem to be happy.

It's extremely weird.

GuiltySpark 26 Jun 2011 21:31:46 6,790 posts
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DFawkes wrote:
All the cool kids hate everything nowadays. If you hate everything, you never risk liking stuff that's shit, or that ends up shit.

Or there is just a possibility that it could turn out shit. Gaming wise, I can't see how it is going to improve anything. I hope I am wrong, I quite like Mario.

Full quote, not sure how that changes anything unless you were completely taking the piss, rather than partially as I thought ha.

DFawkes 26 Jun 2011 21:34:38 32,791 posts
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Nice selective quoting action

rock27gr 26 Jun 2011 21:45:26 6,439 posts
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GuiltySpark wrote:

rock27gr wrote:
Well for me as a tamer who has 4 unoppened games for the Wii sitting on the shelf, as well as more on the to-buy list, the Wii wasn't at all shit.

So you have four (not to mention unopened) games on top of your Wii? Not to sound picky but that is not an indication of anything, four is not a big number, I have 40+ Xbox games.

The Wii is at the end of it's life, you would be immensely worried if the decent games weren't piling up now. People seem weirdly complacent with Nintendo, aslong as they get a Mario or a Zelda thrown at them every few years then they seem to be happy.

It's extremely weird.

So you have over forty unplanned games on your 360 eh? And I am guessing they are all AAA titles. Do you actually buy games to play, or to watch on your wall?

For me having a backlog of 4 is already too much. And considering most of my console gaming time this gen was on the Wii, I'd say it has payed of it's initial investment, and is therefore not shit.

But don't let the above sidetrack your hate for the console. I am sure none of it's games were up to your 40 games on the shelf standards.

rock27gr 26 Jun 2011 21:47:00 6,439 posts
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Damn autocorrect fucking up my posts all the time!

Deleted user 26 June 2011 21:49:39

The Wii was fine, just very short lived. For about 2 years it provided plenty of gaming and then slowly died for the next 2. Same as most Nintendo consoles and (I imagine) will be the same for the Wii U.

DFawkes 26 Jun 2011 21:51:51 32,791 posts
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I think caution is fair at this early stage. I can't wait to see what third parties do with the Wii U. For all I know they'll just make ports with it displaying maps, in which case you're just as well getting (or sticking with) a 360 or PS3.