rock27gr wrote: I said having 4 games unopened on your console isn't an indication of anything. I have 40+ games for my Xbox in total, not unopened, if you could tell me how many you have for your Wii then that would be an apt comparison. And I don't hate the Wii, it's a lump of plastic you twerp. Not liking a console is different than having a vendetta against a fucking gaming console or a company. The Wii's USP failed, the control system didn't reinvent anything and 90% of the time made things worse. It had worse graphics. Compared to the Xbox 360, its main competitor, the release schedule was woeful. That is opinion, of course. No amount of getting metacritic stats is going to solve anything, but seriously, it had hardly any games, it's not something I'm going to argue about. |
Whats with the Wii U hate on the Internet? • Page 2
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GuiltySpark 6,790 posts
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C.CFanboy 44 posts
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Registered 10 years agoThanks for the opinions here everyone. I know a lot wasn't shown but I'm guessing thats because they were showing the controller. Plus if you remember Sony's E3 2005 they made a lot of promises with it they couldn't keep. At least by not mentioning specs people can't turn around and complain "they said it has this!" It might be dated tech granted but high tech isn't for me. I don't care about graphics. A game can be the best looker in the world it won't matter to me if the game sucks.
Edit: DFawkes yeah caution is good. I mean a little scepticism doesn't harm anyone but several of the articles I've read are just outright hating. -
GuiltySpark 6,790 posts
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Registered 17 years agoPeople need to stop thinking that a game can't have good graphics and good gameplay, and that's what companies should be striving for, not one or the other. -
MiniAmin 3,799 posts
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Registered 13 years agoYes. Sometimes I think people forget that better graphics may create more gameplay options. Graphics often = gameplay. -
MrVengeance 133 posts
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Registered 10 years agoGuiltySpark wrote:
Unfortunately for Nintendo, graphics do matter. It's not even a case of gameplay over graphics either, games like Zelda are laughably archaic in their mechanics. The Wii was awful, people derided it for good reason. Selling well is not an indication of quality.
I have to disagree with both statements. First, Zelda is not archaic in that its mechanicas still hold up perfectly well today, with no developers I know of having improved upon the adventure / rpg genre after Ocarina of Time. The likes of Kingdom Hearts and Dark Chronicle are good, but no cigar in my opinion. I will say however that the "Zelda template" does need an overhaul to some degree, as it is making the games rather repetitive and predictable in nature, but no way is the Zelda way of doing things archaic - give Link's Awakening or Minish Cap to any gamer worth their salt and they will have a great time no question.
Second, I think you are being unfair to the Wii by saying it is 'awful' - its not. The Wii had a poor couple of years at the beginning of its life, what with the raft of casual rubbish out on it. Whilst there are still some pish-poor video games still being released for it, the machine had some excellent games released for it over the last two years. Sin & Punishment 2, Metroid Other M and Monster Hunter Tri, and all the others you likely don't need reminding of, are all amazing titles that have hit the Wii in that time period. There are plenty of others that you should investigate no doubt before making such a harsh statement.
I will give you one thing though - the Wii has been a disappointment at times, particularly with its lack of representation from classic Nintendo properties that we all adore - your Pilotwings, F-Zeroes, Advance Wars, 1080s and Wave Races of this world. They really should all have turned up on the Wii at some point but didn't. We did get a 2D Wario platformer, a new Donkey Kong Country entry and the fun revamp Punch-Out!!, but there has been a lot missing from the Wii I feel - a proper Pokemon advanture, a new Pikmin, and some new franchises too that are aimed at the Nintendo fanboys of this world....
Still though, it could have been a lot worse, and we should be thankful for all the quality gaming that is available for the system. -
MrVengeance 133 posts
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Registered 10 years agoGuiltySpark wrote:
The Wii's USP failed, the control system didn't reinvent anything and 90% of the time made things worse. It had worse graphics. Compared to the Xbox 360, its main competitor, the release schedule was woeful. That is opinion, of course. No amount of getting metacritic stats is going to solve anything, but seriously, it had hardly any games, it's not something I'm going to argue about.
I own the 360 and the Wii, and have about the same amount of games for each. I wouldn't say the Wii is crap and the 360 amazing. I would probably lean towards the 360 but thats not taking anything away from the Wii's quality line-up. You actually may need to go and re-evaluate your Wii library and try and pick up some games for it that you have overlooked.
No console is ever truly bad, so long as it has had moderate success. For example, the PAL Sega Saturn has loads of fantastic games, even though its often regarded as having a very poor line-up. When people say a given console "has no games" they generally don't know very much about that system, or have overlooked games without giving them due thought. There are always great games to be had no matter what the console, you just have to go and educate yourself on the machine's library before making a decision about it.
Maybe start by investigating or trying out Red Stell 2, No More Heroes: Desparate Struggle, Sin & Punishment 2, Fragile Dreams, Punch-Out!!, Rune Factory, Super Paper Mario, Endless Ocean, Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles, etc. -
xandaca 433 posts
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Registered 13 years agoGuiltySpark wrote:
The Wii's USP failed, the control system didn't reinvent anything and 90% of the time made things worse. It had worse graphics. Compared to the Xbox 360, its main competitor, the release schedule was woeful. That is opinion, of course. No amount of getting metacritic stats is going to solve anything, but seriously, it had hardly any games, it's not something I'm going to argue about.
If you played the right games - Red Steel 2, Godfather Blackhand Edition, any post-Conduit FPS with pointer controls, Pro Evo Wii, Disaster: Day of Crisis, even Wii Sports - you can see why the Wii's USP failed not because it didn't have the potential to bring something amazing to all different kinds of gaming, but because the vast majority of developers didn't put in the effort to utilise its abilities properly. Nintendo are of course also guilty for not making the tech responsible enough and having an underpowered machine that encouraged such laziness. But motion controls could be fantastic, and I hope that serious developers use the PS Move to advance what little progress with the tech was made on the Wii.
As for the Wii U, I'll be indifferent until I know that there's the option to use the Wii remote and its pointer control for FPS'. There's no way I could go back to twin analogues after experiencing such a huge leap forward. As for other peoples' reactions, I suspect that the negativity is based on the fact that Nintendo explained the U's capabilities very poorly at the presentation, and also because they're Nintendo, who always raise the ire of the internet just 'cause. -
Sid-Nice 15,848 posts
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Registered 18 years agoThere are quite a few factors that are generating the Wii U hate…
1) Fans of the big 2 rivals are in fear that a toy console manufacturer like Nintendo are bringing out a more powerful console than theirs.
2) The ridiculous uninformative E3 press conference from Nintendo.
3) Poor previous 3rd party support and the comical E3 video which was actually the Xbox 360 in-game footage.
4) Dusty Wii syndrome “Sounds like a West Indian Cook.”
5) The fear of straight ports of existing PS3 and 360 games without graphical and Wii-Pad enhancements at a premium price.
6) The lack of an internal HDD and movie playback.
7) Nintendo’s ethos on profiteering on hardware.
8) The Wii U won’t be using state of the art next generation technology or components.
9) Gamers are cynical towards Nintendo’s online gaming strategy.
10) Nintendo’s reluctance to clarify the consoles specification claiming the originality is in the controller.
Personally I’m looking forward to the Wii U launch and I’m willing to overlook all the above in anticipation of playing games in a new innovating way. Nintendo are a small company in comparison to Sony and Microsoft and couldn’t afford to go Gung-ho in the technology department; so they have to look towards original ideas rather than power. I would have been quite happy with a Wii upgrade (high definition only) as a stop gap until the next generation proper arrives.
To me the Wii-Mote and Nunchuk felt natural and the games that utilised the controls properly played like a dream; I don’t know what happened to the “Nintendo seal of Approval” as far as Wii software was concerned, fortunately I avoided all the waggle shovel-ware as I based my purchases on renowned sources for reviews and information.
Nintendo might have problems with the Wii U convincing parents and grandparents that they are buying a new console and controller; the confusion with the Wii-Mote and Wii software backward compatibility could be too much to comprehend for some. I can see some poor fucker ending up with U-Draw under the tree for Christmas 2012. -
beastmaster 22,373 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThe only thing that will make me buy a Wii U is when two 9/10 or 10/10 games come out for it. I would also have to see how the pad is used for these games.
What worries me is that the original Wii controllers can be used. That's great for backwards compatabiliy but I don't want to be buying them in order to play new U games. -
C.CFanboy 44 posts
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Registered 10 years agoI like your post Sid Nice. The first point made me lol. I think Nintendo are right to focus on profits. Look at it now. Since they did they can afford to make a new console whereas MS and Sony are probably just starting theirs. And they really risk dropping out the market by doing that.
Granted it may be getting versions of PS3 and 360 games but thats exactly what I was expecting. There could be people who only own Nintendo now what if they want to play your game? No point ignoring them now. Development costs are too high.
@ GuiltySpark I don't have a PS3 but I played Killzone 2 once. Great looking game. Guess what I thought of it though
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rock27gr 6,439 posts
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Registered 17 years agoGuiltySpark wrote:
I said having 4 games unopened on your console isn't an indication of anything. I have 40+ games for my Xbox in total, not unopened, if you could tell me how many you have for your Wii then that would be an apt comparison.
And I don't hate the Wii, it's a lump of plastic you twerp. Not liking a console is different than having a vendetta against a fucking gaming console or a company.
The Wii's USP failed, the control system didn't reinvent anything and 90% of the time made things worse. It had worse graphics. Compared to the Xbox 360, its main competitor, the release schedule was woeful. That is opinion, of course. No amount of getting metacritic stats is going to solve anything, but seriously, it had hardly any games, it's not something I'm going to argue about.
The USP failed did it? Is that why the machine sold so terribly? Is that why none of the other manufacturers went down the motion control route?
So you want to play the list game now? OK then, I'll make you a deal. You list me your 40+ 360 games and I'll list you my Wii ones. That'd be fun! -
SirScratchalot 7,921 posts
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Registered 16 years agoI think for a lot of people the Wii became the gaming equivalent of a boy band, or reality TV show, they hated it because people they didn't identify with loved it.
It was pretty clear from the amount of people in here who were ready to dump shit in every single wii thread that it was more emotional than rational, they didn't like it and would be damned if anyone else was going to enjoy it either without being told what idiots they are.
It seems to have spilled over a bit to the Wii U, somewhat self inflicted with the naming and all, but rather than going "Hey, that's quirky, maybe some of it I'll be fun?" people go for the heavy artillery right away with the "IT WILL FAIL, I HATE IT! NINTENDO IS DOOMED!" line.
That's great and all but it tends to drown out the discussion I'd like to read with people still settling their own personal scores with the Wii.
Me, I'm happy Nintendo games will now work on my projector and I hope that the controller will allow me to game in bed which has up until now been the realm of the DS and iPad. Wouldn't mind sneaking something meatier in there with me (Oh er!). -
GuiltySpark 6,790 posts
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Registered 17 years agoecosse_011172 wrote:
Let's put this "no decent games games at all on the Wii" crap to bed....
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Super Smash Brothers Brawl
Okami
Zelda:TP
No More Heroes
No More Heroes 2
Goldeneye
Kirby's Epic Yarn
Wario
De Blob
Metroid Prime 3
New Super Mario Bros
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Sin and Punishment 2
Lost Winds
World of Goo
Punch Out
Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars
Super Paper Mario
Boom Blox
Monster Hunter Tri
Muramasa
Red Steel 2
A boy and his blob
Little King's Story
Fragile
Rune Factory Frontier
Geometry Wars: Galaxies
Silent Hill: Shattered Memories
The House of the Dead: Overkill
Pro Evo
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
Wario Land
Excitetruck
Klonoa
Trauma Centre
Endless Ocean
Sakura Wars
Epic Mickey
Kororinpa
Harvest Moon
Rogue Trooper
A Shadow's Tale
Baroque
True, that is a lot of games. But things like House of the Dead, Rogue Trooper, Epic Mickey, Goldeneye if they were released on the 360 exclusively, they would never get a look in on a "best games on the system" list. At all. Which is exactly my point really, most of the games just aren't up to the same standard, and those three games especially don't belong on the list.
I mean imagine if Goldeneye was released on the Xbox 360 alongside Fear 3, Crysis 2, Battlefield and Reach. It'd get laughed at, and deservedly so. It would barely just make it as a live arcade release. -
CharlieStCloud 5,812 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI like what the Wii U has shown so far but I do worry that yes, it may be 'outdated' by the time it comes out at summer next year sometime.
The Wii is a great little machine yet it only has, for me, one truly memorable game that I shall remember the console for; Super Mario Galaxy 2.
The problem is, I look back to the last 18 months or so and can only think of about two or three great games for the Wii... GoldenEye (the best FPS on the Wii), Kirby's Epic Yarn and Donkey Kong Country Returns (a little bit too difficult for me though).
The Wii is easily Nintendo's least memorable home system but hey, it gave the industry quite a wake up call! -
GuiltySpark 6,790 posts
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Registered 17 years agorock27gr wrote:
GuiltySpark wrote:
I said having 4 games unopened on your console isn't an indication of anything. I have 40+ games for my Xbox in total, not unopened, if you could tell me how many you have for your Wii then that would be an apt comparison.
And I don't hate the Wii, it's a lump of plastic you twerp. Not liking a console is different than having a vendetta against a fucking gaming console or a company.
The Wii's USP failed, the control system didn't reinvent anything and 90% of the time made things worse. It had worse graphics. Compared to the Xbox 360, its main competitor, the release schedule was woeful. That is opinion, of course. No amount of getting metacritic stats is going to solve anything, but seriously, it had hardly any games, it's not something I'm going to argue about.
The USP failed did it? Is that why the machine sold so terribly? Is that why none of the other manufacturers went down the motion control route?
So you want to play the list game now? OK then, I'll make you a deal. You list me your 40+ 360 games and I'll list you my Wii ones. That'd be fun!
Or instead of me trying to remember every single game I have owned over the past 5 years, you could have just stated roughly how many games you owned. Duh.
I have already stated, SELLING WELL IS NOT AN INDICATION OF QUALITY. I have put it in capital letters in the hope that you will understand it, and I'm going to write in short paragraphs so that you don't get bored and start waggling your TV remote around for funsies.
The Wii sold so well because it was aimed at a massively broader market than the 360/PS3. This broader market DO NOT care for the quality that we are used to. I can't imagine middleaged Mama GuiltySpark who has bought a Wii to get rid of her lovehandles crying about how Goldeneyes multiplayer is nowhere near as good as Halos or whatever.
I'm not saying there is not quality on there, I'm saying selling well is not an indication of anything. Heck, go look at the Top 40 singles chart for proof. It's not an alien concept, it's not hard to understand. -
King_Edward 11,470 posts
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Registered 11 years agoGolden Eye >>> Gears. That's a fact. -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoAs much as I love an epic list:
A) At least half of that list wouldnt be considered anything special if the game was on the 360
B) Most of those games are at least two years old, which is pathetic -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoSomeone is butthurt that they cant kill Raam on easy. -
GuiltySpark 6,790 posts
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Registered 17 years agoYou people do realise that Goldeneye and Gears aren't even the same genre, right? -
nickthegun 87,711 posts
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Registered 16 years agoecosse_011172 wrote:
I'm not trying to say that Wii has a better library than 360
I know, im just saying that the list is nothing to shout about and on any other machine most of those games wouldnt be worth listing. -
ecosse_011172 wrote:
On the other hand, SUper Mario Galaxy shits on everything on the other two...
I agree but it is still an opinion ecosse, your opinion!
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