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spamdangled 7 Oct 2012 15:01:35 31,803 posts
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fletch7100 wrote:
According to one of the level designers his ghost and no kills playthrough took 22 hours without exploring every nook and cranny, and knowing the solution to everything before hand

That's exactly how I intend to play anyway. I need to get my Thief on.

Syrette 7 Oct 2012 15:14:20 51,181 posts
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There isn't an achievement for that is there?

I don't want to do what I did for Deus Ex: HR and play a particular way from beginning to end (unless it's satisfying to do so).

It's not that I care about the achievement as much as I see it as a special challenge, and once I start on these things I often find it hard to stop.

Edited by Syrette at 15:14:31 07-10-2012

NOSAVIOUR 7 Oct 2012 16:01:50 2,845 posts
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CVG video review http://youtu.be/LUfe67noLcY

Deleted user 7 October 2012 16:12:18

Sweet, just watched. "once in a generation game"

Derblington 7 Oct 2012 16:14:23 35,161 posts
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@Syrette
Yes, there is. There are achievements for a few different play styles so you'll need to play through a few times for max it.

DUFFMAN5 7 Oct 2012 16:14:46 26,894 posts
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I'm not going to watch, I have managed to miss almost everything about this game...yet I know it is my kinda game, and will be one of my favs of the year, maybe ever ?. Roll on Wed (shopto

)please.

Deleted user 7 October 2012 16:15:27

Can't wait, if I'm being totally honest.

Derblington 7 Oct 2012 16:22:30 35,161 posts
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Jesus. How can GameTrailers be the only review site that have figured out that it pays to hire someone with a pleasing voice to review titles? That CVG review is terrible to listen to 2 people stumbling over words and thinking of what to say.

Deleted user 7 October 2012 17:05:47

@DUFFMAN5 it is actually pretty spoiler free and there is no new footage shown.

Said it is game of the year, refreshing, a gamer game, not dumbed down like most mass market games, rewards you the more you engross yourself into its world. Only a couple of small complaints.

griff_dai 7 Oct 2012 17:08:33 706 posts
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can't wait for this

andywilkie35 7 Oct 2012 17:11:19 5,327 posts
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I knew I'd have to cave and get this, and I will.

NotSoSlim 7 Oct 2012 17:13:49 3,179 posts
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So PC or 360 then? PS3 version probably poor?

No fanboy shit just dev/publisher history

Deleted user 7 October 2012 17:20:54

UE3 games tend to be ok on the ps3. Borderlands 2 is great even if it's the worst version.

Deleted user 7 October 2012 17:27:01

Generally ps3 is the worst version. If you got a good pc then pc surely? Cheaper, better visuals and the ability wheel prob better with mouse.

Deleted user 7 October 2012 17:32:55

Yeah but in my experience, it's quite liberating to know that there isn't anything you can do to improve the fps. With PCs it's easy to get obsessed with tweaking. Maybe it's just me.

heavy_salad 7 Oct 2012 17:33:16 1,211 posts
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@NotSoSlim PC as it's about half the price for me. I don't have a great PC, but I imagine it'll be good enough to make it look better than my PS3 does.

Derblington 7 Oct 2012 18:26:07 35,161 posts
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I really hate the term 'dumbed down' to describe modern gaming, it's such bullshit. Games are more complex than they've ever been but the job of a game designer is to not allow that complexity to confuse the player. Mechanics should be streamlined and drip fed and that's exactly what is happening, that doesn't make them stupid.

I guarantee you this does exactly the same thing, the only difference being the structure of the world to allow you to approach an objective in multiple ways. Multiple games do this but it's always been a small percentage in the market.

Deleted user 7 October 2012 18:30:32

You have a point but it is true that many games are dumbed down to get mass appeal. Mass effect 2 was dumbed down. Assassins creed doesn't really let you do anything except press A in fear of alienating fans.
Games are more complex now but many are also removing real interactivity.

NOSAVIOUR 7 Oct 2012 18:35:49 2,845 posts
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The only part that put me off in the CVG review is that he said it was game of the generation but still not better than Deus Ex. A game over 10years old.

Derblington 7 Oct 2012 18:39:18 35,161 posts
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Every button on the control pad is used for multiple commands in AC, it has too many controls for all the actions it wants you to do. AC3 is streamlining the systems so as not to require you to need multiple inputs to complete simple (relevant to the character and design) actions.

Just because you don't have a jump button doesn't make it dumbed down. That's exactly my point.

Deleted user 7 October 2012 18:46:16

Derblington speaks the truths - passionate game designers don't think "how can we make this dumber?", they think "how can we make this better?".

Deleted user 7 October 2012 18:52:12

Ac movement is dull, you run and hold a button. The game does the rest for you. That is dumbing down. If you actually did the movement etc it would be brilliant. Mirrors edge didn't say just hold A to get from start to finish.

Deleted user 7 October 2012 18:58:37

Xcom looks streamlined, assassins creed looks dumb. I hate press A then X and watch your character do some cool kill move. Would rather do the move myself like say bayonetta.

StarchildHypocrethes 7 Oct 2012 19:00:40 33,974 posts
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"Dumbed down" is a phrase that can fuck off. It's only ever used by weakly raging spastinerds, societies worst and most pointless new addition.

Derblington 7 Oct 2012 19:01:56 35,161 posts
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Completely different games. The sole objective in ME is movement, there is nothing else. Every other action you can perform is secondary and provided to allow you to recover when the movement stops.

AC is not a game about movement, and should it require you to complete each action (sprint, jump, pull-up, drop, roll) manually there wouldn't be room for anything else (not to mention that traversal alone would be a nightmare because the game world is so complex).

And a comparison to Bayonetta is even more moronic.

Edited by Derblington at 19:03:16 07-10-2012

Deleted user 7 October 2012 19:07:53

StarchildHypocrethes wrote:
"Dumbed down" is a phrase that can fuck off. It's only ever used by weakly raging spastinerds, societies worst and most pointless new addition.

+10000000

Deleted user 7 October 2012 19:07:55

In Tomb Raider you had to carefully line up your jumps, tippy toeing up to the edge, hop back one space, run forward and jump right at the edge. Then die because you were 2 pixels off and had to go back half an hour

Anything else is dumbed down baby shit

Deleted user 7 October 2012 19:12:05

It is not just about movement but movement is a big part of the game and you don't have to do anything to accomplish the feat.
Yeah mirrors edge was more focused but if assassins creed nailed the same interactivity in movement it would be something special.

Deleted user 7 October 2012 19:14:30

The point the reviewer was making is that you are not held by the hand like a large number of titles and are free to do what you want. The difference being you have to do it and not just press a button to watch a animation sequence.

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