UK Riots 2011 Page 7

  • RichDC 7 Aug 2011 14:12:06 9,177 posts
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    cozeny wrote:
    altercations began after a 16 year old girl approached the police and was truncheoned by an officer.
    Is there any proof that this actually happened? Genuine question as it seems a bit convenient and there are no pictures / footage in an age where everyone has a camera.
  • RichDC 7 Aug 2011 14:12:06 9,177 posts
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  • BreadBinLidHero 7 Aug 2011 14:15:30 10,803 posts
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    Logical_Gorilla wrote:
    It is my honest opinion that governments, for the most part, no longer serve the people, but rather themselves and their corporate masters.

    I think you'll find that that was the usual state of affairs throughout human history.
  • Deleted user 7 August 2011 14:17:31
    What started the riots was a thug shot at police officers and they shot back killing him in the process. Apprently the people rioting have a problem with this.
  • Kid_Icarus 7 Aug 2011 14:18:58 553 posts
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    Logical_Gorilla wrote:(and even though im not old enough to vote)
    Fuckin' 'ell! I didn't see that one coming!

    There's no agenda and no message being sent, it's just a bunch of dickheads using the flimsiest excuse to start something so they can feel big about themselves. There's no more thought or meaning behind this than any pub fight or match day punch up.
  • MrWonderstuff 7 Aug 2011 14:25:10 3,617 posts
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    I'm off to St Pauls in Bristol tonight...hope the rioting doesn't spread.
  • sam_spade 7 Aug 2011 15:44:31 15,745 posts
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    "Friends and family of the shooting victim (shot by CO19 cops) went to protest peacefully at the station; they also hoped to 'get some answers'."

    I saw some preacher on the news shouting how they had right to ask the questions and how they had to wait four to five hours.

    Who are these morons? I understand wanting answers and the right to have them answered satisfactorily - but after five hours? Didn't they read the news about the investigation, or the news where a shot was fired at a copper?
  • Carlo 7 Aug 2011 16:00:12 21,801 posts
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    I'd be interested to hear what action you think a teenager with no job, prospects, money, decent education, or future should be taking.

    I don't think you guys really know how bad it is for them at the moment. A whole generation have been lost to this recession.
  • Fab4 7 Aug 2011 16:16:20 8,924 posts
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    Carlo wrote:
    I'd be interested to hear what action you think a teenager with no job, prospects, money, decent education, or future should be taking.

    I don't think you guys really know how bad it is for them at the moment. A whole generation have been lost to this recession.

    Please...I was born into a family that lived below the poverty line. We never felt the need to riot.
  • Deleted user 7 August 2011 16:17:37
    You see, the great thing about statistics/macros social trends is that you don't actually matter all that much.
  • Carlo 7 Aug 2011 16:46:58 21,801 posts
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    Fab4 wrote:
    Carlo wrote:
    I'd be interested to hear what action you think a teenager with no job, prospects, money, decent education, or future should be taking.

    I don't think you guys really know how bad it is for them at the moment. A whole generation have been lost to this recession.

    Please...I was born into a family that lived below the poverty line. We never felt the need to riot.
    during a finacial crisis as bad as this, with unemployment like it is in North London for this age, and gender?
  • Fab4 7 Aug 2011 16:52:21 8,924 posts
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    Oh nothing like today's..only the 1970s oil crisis. Still when you are having to go outside for a shit and get washed in a tin bath, what's a fucking recession?
  • boo 7 Aug 2011 17:12:28 13,901 posts
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    I'm assuming that there's more trouble expected tonight. Enfield town centre, which is three train stops down from White Hart Lane, was closed down half an hour early today, and the streets are absolutely crawling with police.
  • mal 7 Aug 2011 17:27:26 29,326 posts
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    Seems like the authorities are expecting it. I hope that in itself doesn't prove to be a problem.
  • Khanivor 7 Aug 2011 17:36:03 44,800 posts
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    A whole generation lost to this three year old financial slump? I disnt know the kids of today were gerbils
  • LionheartDJH 7 Aug 2011 17:36:56 20,303 posts
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    Nothing beats a bit of hyperbole Khani.
  • FWB 7 Aug 2011 17:45:33 56,369 posts
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    Destroying your local area. Nice one. That's sticking it to government and definitely going to get you a job.
  • Deleted user 7 August 2011 17:45:46
    mal wrote:
    Seems like the authorities are expecting it. I hope that in itself doesn't prove to be a problem.

    The police can't win in that situation- if they turn up, they are accused of provocation, don't turn up and they are accused of abandoning the law abiding people who don't want their street smashed up.

    Maybe that's why they were relatively restrained last night- less confrontational, the idea being to just stand there, keep an eye on things and let people tire themselves out rather than start a prolonged running battle in the streets, as flooding in enough officers to restore order would only have made things worse in the long run. The trade-off being a few coppers ending up in hospital and a fair bit of looting.
  • Deleted user 7 August 2011 17:46:52
    seems prescient now
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/gang-violence-rises-as-councils-cut-youth-services
  • Deleted user 7 August 2011 17:47:22
    FWB wrote:
    Destroying your local area. Nice one. That's sticking it to government and definitely going to get you a job.

    At least some of the unemployed youth now have HDTVs.
  • FWB 7 Aug 2011 17:55:02 56,369 posts
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    Very important. More so than respect for your community and neighbours.
  • Rusty_M 7 Aug 2011 18:09:27 7,172 posts
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    Logical_Gorilla wrote:
    Peaceful protest simply just doesn't work anymore. Violence IMHO is the only way (well the only way which gets results), the only way to get our, the peoples message across to the elites. The message that we won't take it anymore... We the people, will not stand paying for the rich/elite classes greed anymore. Violence is our, the peoples vioce... AND I SAY LET IT BE HEARD!!!!!

    Our, the people's message?

    I, a person (god that sounds awful), would fight, if need be, for my safety and freedom...against lawless rioters like these. I don't think it wise to try to speak for the people. That's why I speak only for myself. I find this violence deplorable, and hope this isn't a sign of things to come.
  • Deleted user 7 August 2011 18:13:14
    Frightening stuff.
  • Deleted user 7 August 2011 18:18:56
    Billy_Sastard wrote:
    FWB wrote:
    Destroying your local area. Nice one. That's sticking it to government and definitely going to get you a job.

    Yep all that money that you had to go towards job funding is now going towards insurance payouts on the anarchy you caused you fucking chumps.

    But it isn't about that though is it, it's just gang shit innit.
    blud. Innit blud. You missed the important bit.
  • Rusty_M 7 Aug 2011 18:35:15 7,172 posts
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    kentmonkey wrote:
    Billy_Sastard wrote:
    FWB wrote:
    Destroying your local area. Nice one. That's sticking it to government and definitely going to get you a job.

    Yep all that money that you had to go towards job funding is now going towards insurance payouts on the anarchy you caused you fucking chumps.

    But it isn't about that though is it, it's just gang shit innit.
    blud. Innit blud. You missed the important bit.
    Stupid bumbaclats!
  • mal 7 Aug 2011 18:37:35 29,326 posts
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    Funny how when they're being abandoned by the system they're 'the community' but when they get up to these sort of deplorable hijinks they're suddenly 'the gangs', innit.
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