Boab wrote:Amen to that. If console makers have their whiteboards on the go atm, I think this should go top of the must-have list. I'd also like games to work properly from the off, rather than have to stumble through a couple of patches before they work properly. If I wanted frequent patching, I'd settle for a PC. A PS3 should not be worse than a PC for patching/updates. In other words, getting console basics right next gen would be good. |
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FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoHaving been a games tester for Microsoft - granted a while a go - I can assure you that patching will always be there. In fact it will only get worse. For the publisher is great that they can "fix" things later. Means they can chuck the game out on their "deadline". We used to log everything, do our job, but things wouldn't get fixed and we'd be given strict orders to let things pass, no matter what we found.
I plan to go back to a PC this year after quite a few years with a Mac. Will be my games machine and I doubt I'll get a console again. The 360 did its job though and it is a great machine, but I'm more into my strategy games.
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Syrette 51,181 posts
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Registered 19 years agoSadly that's not exclusive to Microsoft. -
FWB 56,369 posts
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Registered 20 years agoI'm sure it isn't, but I can only comment on my brief experience in the industry, which happened to be with MS. -
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Boab wrote:
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king26 546 posts
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Registered 11 years agoAs far as I'm concerned it's all about the exclusives as I'm not rich enough to own both. As it is PS4 will get my cash but if MS pull their fingers out (I've no interest in Halo, Gears or Kinect!!) I might be interested.
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Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agoSo wait... they actually have to stop making those things before you become interested?
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ToOldToGame wrote:
I didn't refer to the hardware - I'm thinking of the platform owners: Sony and Microsoft. They could insist that only 'finished' products are released, but -as you and the others say- they won't. It's not in their financial interest to delay a juggernaut the size of Skyrim. Nobody can be arsed with QA these days.
Bremenacht wrote:
It has nothing to do with the hardware. Most of the time it's down to lazy game developement and pushy publishers. As Fruit-Salad points out, patches etc aren't going anywhere I'm afraid, regardless of the hardware.
I'd also like games to work properly from the off, rather than have to stumble through a couple of patches before they work properly. If I wanted frequent patching, I'd settle for a PC. A PS3 should not be worse than a PC for patching/updates.
There is some supreme irony here, in that as PC O/S' are becoming more slick and hassle-free, consoles appear to be going the way of old PCs - patches and updates for everything. Any ideas the platform-owners have about splitting their products into different lines or specs (as rumoured) will increase the mess. How long before you have to buy special console AV or ID software to ensure your Live experience is not fouled?
I can see myself eventually going with Nintendo for a simple, unfussy console experience, and PC for everything else. The modern console experience is going fundamentally backwards. -
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Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years ago"There is some supreme irony here, in that as PC O/S' are becoming more slick and hassle-free"
They are? I still find myself spending ages messing around with drivers / patches / configs before I can get a PC game working how I want it to. Admittedly that's because I don't game often though.
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Psychotext wrote:
TBF, you're no longer trying to squeeze as much out of 640k as you can these days
"There is some supreme irony here, in that as PC O/S' are becoming more slick and hassle-free"
They are? I still find myself spending ages messing around with drivers / patches / configs before I can get a PC game working how I want it to. Admittedly that's because I don't game often though.
That said, the PS3 experience is utterly horrible. I've had to wait over an hour and a half for a bunch of patches to download and install before now.
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Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agoPsh, there's always more to get. -
ACtually I was thinking about the next xbox a few days back and got all excited about the possibilities............but then I checked my bank balance and realised I wouldn't have the finances to justify buying it at launch anyway.
But as someone said earlier this gen has taught me not to buy every machine as ultimately you just spead yourself too thin. I was rushing through games just to finish them due to my backlog rather than taking my time and "enjoying them".
Better to have fond memories of 10 games rather than vague recollections of 80.
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Psychotext wrote:
Indeed. The whole point in consoles used to be plug in and play. Instantly.
That said, the PS3 experience is utterly horrible. I've had to wait over an hour and a half for a bunch of patches to download and install before now.
Unlike Speccy/C64 tapes and Atari ST/Amiga floppies, games consoles used cartridges and you were playing your favourite games within mere seconds. These days consoles feel like an operating system boot-up and a Windows install. Especially the PS3. A step backwards in many ways. -
oceanmotion 17,358 posts
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Registered 18 years agoToOldToGame wrote:
It's probably in the platform's interest that you go online now so I doubt they care about patches because it's another way to get more people signing up for a account rather than playing offline.
I'm thinking of the platform owners: Sony and Microsoft. They could insist that only 'finished' products are released
Yes that makes sense, but you're correct in that it most likely won't happen.
Speaking of Blu-Ray, many companies have their hands in the pot so speaking of Sony as the master and having some effect means nothing just like the codecs used like VC-1 that MS and many other companies are behind. Everyone has a piece and not some fanboy conspiracy. If MS wants the Xbox to be an entertainment box can't see them not sticking Blu-Ray in there. It's successful enough and a nice size for future games. -
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Registered 19 years agoespibara wrote:
I've been putting £10 a month aside, for about a year now, so I'm already some way towards the inevitable £400 tag of the premium-grade nextbox.
ACtually I was thinking about the next xbox a few days back and got all excited about the possibilities............but then I checked my bank balance and realised I wouldn't have the finances to justify buying it at launch anyway.
I'm not buying it at launch, though, given the build quality of the last one, and the fact that the games won't mature for it for a while, if the last couple or three generations are anything to go by.
Mainly I suspect that the ideas in this thread about graphics being the main focus are going to be true, it is certainly what happened this generation. I'd almost settle for a minor improvement to graphics, or perhaps just a smoothing of what we already have, if it meant that new console hardware meant that the developers could work more thoroughly with AI and huge numbers of things on screen, and awesome physics.
They won't do that though, with the presumed onus from publishers being about getting the shiny and the most pretty things rather than the most involved.
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Psychotext 70,652 posts
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Registered 15 years agoagparrot wrote:
Bless you.
Maybe the next gen consoles will actually allow a Bethesda game to run with memory leaks without breaking the game!
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agparrot wrote:
I'd settle for that. 1080p, consistent frame rates, objects, fizzix and good draw distances. What more could one want? [grump](Apart from more patching, updates, DLC, DRM, etc etc)[/grump]
I'd almost settle for a minor improvement to graphics, or perhaps just a smoothing of what we already have, if it meant that new console hardware meant that the developers could work more thoroughly with AI and huge numbers of things on screen, and awesome physics. -
Most of the launch titles will be upscaled games from this gen or ultimate editions of PC games like BF 3 or Witcher 2. If there is one thing this gen has taught me is to never rush in. They nearly always screw things up on launch. -
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Who else thinks thinks this DVR patent is a really good move for MS?
I said this in the news thread, but if they added a card slot and coax inputs to allow for Sky and Virgin TV input, as well other global cable suppliers such as AT&T, then Sky etc. would be able to offer the next Xbox as a premium alternative to a standard Sky+HD box. And you just know people would go for it considering the price to upgrade alongside a subscription would be reasonable next to purchasing it outright. Think phone contracts compared to SIM-free.
It would offer an absolutely huge market penetration that a sole games console wouldn't. Whether you agree with it or not, the business benefits are undeniable.
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