Armoured_Bear wrote:It's a 2D side scrolling platformer now? |
E3 2012 • Page 58
-
-
Rens11 1,864 posts
Seen 6 days ago
Registered 13 years agoecureuil wrote:
+1 never been so pessimistic about future games development everyone is chasing the 'supposedly untapped' casual market or chasing the big money with cod clones. Games don't have to be stupidly expensive eg. Witcher 2 a triple AAA game that cost £10 million. Games that review well 'should' sell enough. Far too many games developers these days get shut down despite making a profit. By supporting the games with free dlc they could increase the tail of the game and not reduce it to bargain bin prices so quickly with people keen to hold on to it knowing there's more content coming.
Dirtbox wrote:
Spot on. And fucking depressing.
I think this chap has nailed E3 and consoles in general. And why I have not given a fuck about consoles for years.
Bit low res. Much like batman's codpiece.
http://i.imgur.com/99tDY.png
Edited by Rens11 at 17:29:38 06-06-2012 -
SomaticSense 15,062 posts
Seen 3 years ago
Registered 16 years agoRemember the early Eighties and the deluge of shitty licensed games? Remember what happened as a result? It's starting to look dangerously familiar only with creatively bankrupt 'me too' shooters instead of crappy side-scrollers of forgettable Hollywood films.
Piss us off too much dear old gaming industry, and you'll be getting no investment at all as there'll be fuck all profits as everyone will just stop buying your regurgitated shit.
There is still reason for positivity though, and that is the indie games market. -
sanctusmortis 9,914 posts
Seen 3 weeks ago
Registered 15 years agoThere's a reason the current Humble Bundle has passed 400k sales, for sure - and this E3 has illustrated it nicely. -
Rens11 1,864 posts
Seen 6 days ago
Registered 13 years agoMadgod_Dc wrote:
Me too was gonna buy ffxiii 2 and max Payne but will now wait for the inevitable game of the year edition
@Rens11 bah. i'm kind of sick of all the extra dlc that gets tacked onto games these days, and i usually avoid games with extra dlc tbah. -
senso-ji 10,271 posts
Seen 4 days ago
Registered 13 years ago@SomaticSense
While I agree with the parallels, games these days we have multiplayer to draw the masses in. This ensures that even generic MMS #14516 will sell well enough to keep the profits at acceptable levels and the investors happy. It also allows for publishers to pump out map packs for a year and reap a few extra bags of money. -
SomaticSense 15,062 posts
Seen 3 years ago
Registered 16 years agosanctusmortis wrote:
Because the only creavity left in the game industry is in the indie market.
There's a reason the current Humble Bundle has passed 400k sales, for sure - and this E3 has illustrated it nicely.
As the tech for big budget games gets more impressive, costs will rise exponentially. And when the costs rise, the less originality we'll see even when compared to now. So there's every risk that all we'll ever see in the next gen are COD or GTA clones. And if this happens then the industry will crash again just like it did a couple of decades ago.
It's depressing to think that may happen, but hopefully the crash won't affect lower budget titles and will allow the same blank slate that gaming in the eighties had which led to games like Mario Bros changing the industry for the better.
Edited by SomaticSense at 20:12:37 06-06-2012 -
SomaticSense 15,062 posts
Seen 3 years ago
Registered 16 years agosenso-ji wrote:
But that's an example of the slack creative development that will possibly lead to a crash. Who seriously wants a deluge of just COD clones?
@SomaticSense
While I agree with the parallels, games these days we have multiplayer to draw the masses in. This ensures that even generic MMS #14516 will sell well enough to keep the profits at acceptable levels and the investors happy. It also allows for publishers to pump out map packs for a year and reap a few extra bags of money.
At some point, even those that are endlessly queuing up at Game every November for what is essentially the same copy and paste development job that they played the year before will eventually get bored. But if it comes to the stage where there's hardly anything else out there, where will they go?
Edited by SomaticSense at 20:15:23 06-06-2012 -
King_Edward 11,470 posts
Seen 4 years ago
Registered 11 years agoI'd be looking forward to this crash if I actually thought it would happen. The people who buy games, and the people who sell games are very different to what they were in the 80s. -
SomaticSense wrote:
Indie stuff is just as me-too, it's just in lower tech genres like puzzles games, rougelikes, tower defence and 2D platformers. Simple shit that can be copied from existing games, given a lick of zany indie paint and released cheaply to rubes who think indie=automatically great.
Because the only creavity left in the game industry is in the indie market.
And all in a few months by a tiny team. Not saying that there are no good indie titles but there is just as much shite as the "mainstream" games industry, it's just that indie stuff is given a pass if it's a bit crap or derivitive because it's the new cool thing to be into. -
sanctusmortis wrote:
Because you can buy it for 10p and is more famous than in the past?
There's a reason the current Humble Bundle has passed 400k sales, for sure - and this E3 has illustrated it nicely. -
SomaticSense 15,062 posts
Seen 3 years ago
Registered 16 years agospudsbuckley wrote:
You're missing the point entirely. There is way more creativity in the indie market than in the £39.99 market. That's just a fact.
SomaticSense wrote:
Indie stuff is just as me-too, it's just in lower tech genres like puzzles games, rougelikes, tower defence and 2D platformers. Simple shit that can be copied from existing games, given a lick of zany indie paint and released cheaply to rubes who think indie=automatically great.
Because the only creavity left in the game industry is in the indie market.
And all in a few months by a tiny team. Not saying that there are no good indie titles but there is just as much shite as the "mainstream" games industry, it's just that indie stuff is given a pass if it's a bit crap or derivitive because it's the new cool thing to be into.
Throwing ratios into the mix means nothing. The PS2 had more shit shovelware released than all the current gen consoles have had put together. But also the all-time greatest games were also released on that console. The amount of shit released by some indie devs mean nothing when 99% of the true originality we are seeing in the gaming industry as a whole is from the indie segment. -
oceanmotion 17,358 posts
Seen 2 years ago
Registered 18 years agoI like to think publishers and devs are playing it safe at this moment in time with retail games as things aren't great in the world and have fantastic ideas saved for next gen either through retail or more ambitious on demand releases.
There is talent there but the risk is just too high for retail. I think bigger budget digital releases is the way to go for the time being at least. Just advertise them a lot more.
Edited by oceanmotion at 20:35:05 06-06-2012 -
SomaticSense wrote:
I'm sorry but i just don't see it. There is as much generic genre shit in the indie segment it's just not FPS, sports and racing games.
spudsbuckley wrote:
You're missing the point entirely. There is way more creativity in the indie market than in the £39.99 market. That's just a fact.
SomaticSense wrote:
Indie stuff is just as me-too, it's just in lower tech genres like puzzles games, rougelikes, tower defence and 2D platformers. Simple shit that can be copied from existing games, given a lick of zany indie paint and released cheaply to rubes who think indie=automatically great.
Because the only creavity left in the game industry is in the indie market.
And all in a few months by a tiny team. Not saying that there are no good indie titles but there is just as much shite as the "mainstream" games industry, it's just that indie stuff is given a pass if it's a bit crap or derivitive because it's the new cool thing to be into.
Throwing ratios into the mix means nothing. The PS2 had more shit shovelware released than all the current gen consoles have had put together. But also the all-time greatest games were also released on that console. The amount of shit released by some indie devs mean nothing when 99% of the true originality we are seeing in the gaming industry as a whole is from the indie segment.
The originality you are talking about is the wacky indie paint i'm talking about. Most (if not all) of the big indie hits of the past few years have been straight up genre-games. -
oceanmotion 17,358 posts
Seen 2 years ago
Registered 18 years agoI don't think so. It's just publishers trying to maximize their profit by copying the hot thing of the time, COD, Cover shooters, Cinematic game play.
It won't last forever. You just have to look on websites to see the reactions year after year and especially now, it's practically a collective disappointment and anger. Interest looks to have peaked and is fading fast. Say what you will about the vocal majority being outnumbered, I don't think that's necessarily true in gaming. There is a large passionate community that do want to be heard. It's not wise to ignore them all the time. Something better comes along and they're off.
Publishers have being ridiculous this generation, it's a pity people are only just now starting to push back. They have gained far too much ground but that can all change if you stop saying, that sucks, I hate this about the game but buy it anyway. Publishers and devs will keep pushing gaming into places you don't like and you have to push back and not with your arse showing.
Edited by oceanmotion at 21:02:36 06-06-2012 -
I done made a stupid video!
-
King_Edward 11,470 posts
Seen 4 years ago
Registered 11 years agoHaha! Monkey face. -
Anthony_UK 3,094 posts
Seen 6 hours ago
Registered 16 years agoSo the two games people seem to be talking about are Watch Dogs and ZombiU.
Two games that seem to be doing at least something original.... who'd have guessed it!
Stupid publishers!
On a more serious note, the COD phenomenon is something that touched a particular nerve this gen and didn't happen overnight. You'd like to think that the various dev's and publishers would now be looking to create the next big thing with us all approaching the next cycle rather than copying what came before.... -
-
King_Edward 11,470 posts
Seen 4 years ago
Registered 11 years agoThey might be the two games getting talked about most, but they won't be the two games that sell the most. -
Machetazo 6,373 posts
Seen 9 months ago
Registered 16 years ago@DDevil I saw that footage, and I first thought they were playing some joke - and then, I suspected dancing moneyhats.
Edited by Machetazo at 22:23:06 06-06-2012 -
Gambit1977 10,398 posts
Seen 1 year ago
Registered 14 years agoAnother e3 goes by without a new Panzer Dragoon 
-
Dirtbox 92,600 posts
Seen 27 minutes ago
Registered 19 years ago -
Anthony_UK 3,094 posts
Seen 6 hours ago
Registered 16 years agoKing_Edward wrote:
I see what you saying, but compared to what? COD? sure that steamrollers everything for now, but with the core being the usual early adaptors, as a launch game I can potentially see ZombiU giving Nintendoland a run for its money if it's as good as these brief hands on reports are saying and Nintendoland is sold as a stand alone game. Also Watch Dogs could be a new series that captures the imagination like Assassin's Creed did (Before they milked it to death)
They might be the two games getting talked about most, but they won't be the two games that sell the most.
If you had a choice between splinter cell, star wars 1313, Dead Space 3, warfighter and Watch Dog.. which one would you go for? -
JinTypeNoir 4,368 posts
Seen 7 years ago
Registered 17 years agoSomaticSense wrote:
Creativity does not start to run dry just because it sells less or gets man-handled by the hype machine. There's plenty of creative games outside of the indie market. The thing is, you can't depend either the press or the hardware makers to necessarily highlight them.
Because the only creavity left in the game industry is in the indie market.
Platinum's P-100 reveal for the WiiU wasn't anywhere in the conference and isn't a hypermedia darling like The Last of Us or a proven franchise. It is really creative and vibrant and fresh though. If the people putting together the Nintendo conference had more confidence in the creative to attract attention for its merits, a lot would be better, but the press isn't doing much better when they ignore stuff like this just to chase headlines.
That and because handhelds can't do the same trick as their console brothers (if they try to, people just claim they don't want that on a small screen), you continue to see the same kind of market that's been there since the beginning -- it hasn't changed in tone and balance nearly as much as the console market. Things I like, like simple character action games, slow-paced turn-based RPGs, actual strategy and sim titles cute rhythm games and puzzlers are still released in quantity and quality, whereas you really have to search on the consoles to find these.
But make no mistake, they're there. They're not exactly hiding either. They are just getting buried by shortsighted executives and journalists. -
spamdangled 31,803 posts
Seen 2 hours ago
Registered 13 years agoSomaticSense wrote:
There's still loads of creativity left in the main industry, it's just that the games-buying public, in all their idiocy, completely ignore the interesting, original games at retail but will happily buy the next COD in their droves. As a result, publisher A puts less money into original IP and doesn't market it, and thus the circle is complete.
You're missing the point entirely. There is way more creativity in the indie market than in the £39.99 market. That's just a fact.
It's the gaming community that is at fault here - endlessly moaning at the lack of original IP but then not supporting it when it actually turns up. -
totally agree DM,
i was browsing the amazon e3 discussion, and this was one of the posts:
"meh, meh....and more meh
LBP should be on wii-u. drawing with the tablet controller etc - it'd be prefect for the nintentypes. leave ps3 with prototype/killzone/COD etc etc anyday. core games = BLOOD!"
Its astonishing really. but sort of predictable. I don't know how one goes about changing peoples mindsets like that.
Last year, was actually quite supportive of creative games on the big consoles: Catherine, el shaddai, rayman O, were well recieved and talked about. To some extent journey as well, i know it was a psn game, but it was priced competitively and had high production values. Perhaps developers need to take this into account, look at the 15-20-25-30 price barriers and see if that brings them sales and people willing to have a punt on something different.
Skyrim was a massive success, i know it wasn't a new I.P, but it success was for me, exceeded expectations. So non shoot them in the face games can succeed.
Sometimes posts may contain links to online retail stores. If you click on one and make a purchase we may receive a small commission. For more information, go here.
