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  • Deleted user 30 September 2012 19:12:12
    Wasn't a fan of the stuff I heard off their last album and had written Muse off but I really liked Madness. Big fan of the guitar solo and the vocal harmonies.

    I think they need to learn how to write decent lyrics though if they're going to be more prominent in their stuff. The resistance stuff was just plain embarrassing.
  • urban 30 Sep 2012 19:17:32 13,009 posts
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    Muse are a stadium rock band, if people in that stadium like dubstep, That's what they'll do.

    I admire Matt Bellamy as an artist but I do not think they have made great music in a long time.

    Hullabaloo was the last thing I bought of theirs, That live DVD still blows my socks off mind you.
  • Deleted user 1 October 2012 04:53:34
    Lyrics have never been their strong point, but they don't take themselves too seriously anyway. I think you can thank John Leckie for Origin, which is about as serious as it ever got.
  • Murbs 1 Oct 2012 08:19:04 23,870 posts
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    From the first time I heard Cave I knew they were my kind of thing. I saw them supporting (yes, supporting) Skunk Anansie some 12/13 years ago before I got hold of Showbiz and thought they were fantastic even then. I'll never refer to them as a favourite but will always pick up their stuff and no-one else really does this overblown epic sound any more.
  • boo 4 Oct 2012 11:04:30 13,426 posts
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    Listened to the album for the first time this morning.

    On the whole, it gets a thumbs up. a few 'Huh?' moments along the way, but first listens are always like that.

    Not sure about Chris W.'s voice - sounds a bit flat after Bellamy's histrionics, but it adds a different element I guess.

    Opening two tracks are great, track 3 was a bit of a wobble (can't remember what it's called), and then it's broadly pretty good again.

    The two final 2nd Law tracks are batshit mental, and while they don't reach the dizzy heights of the sublime Exogenesis Symphony, they're still cool.

    Plenty of people have accused them of being musical magpies, picking up styles from other people, but face it - nobody else out there sounds like Muse.

    Edited by boo at 11:06:00 04-10-2012
  • Ignatius_Cheese Moderator 4 Oct 2012 11:16:55 11,048 posts
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    The opening track is trying so hard to be a Bond theme it isn't funny. Really like it though :)

    There are definitely a few missteps IMO creating a sound almost weak enough to be someone like Maroon 5 but, then again, The Resistance had similar weaknesses.

    One thing you can't say is that Muse stand still and don't try different styles. Its not going to please everyone but I can safely say it will be on in my car for a while.
  • andywilkie35 4 Oct 2012 12:17:41 5,337 posts
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    The more I listen to it, the more I like it. A couple of duff tracks sure (Panic Station in particular) but some really good stuff too.

    Much better than their last album anyway.
  • Deleted user 4 October 2012 12:21:13
    Glad more people are enjoying it now. I think it's better than Resistance now.

    So my list goes.

    Origin of Symmetry
    The 2nd Law
    Black Holes and Revelations
    The Resistance
  • Deleted user 4 October 2012 12:35:51
    Murbal wrote:
    I saw them supporting (yes, supporting) Skunk Anansie some 12/13 years ago
    Was that at Exeter Uni per chance?
  • L0cky 4 Oct 2012 12:43:58 2,001 posts
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    Was really dubious on the the first listen, but it grows on you. I thought the dubstep was really too reactionary, but once you get over that you realise they do a good job with it.

    I think it could be an awesome album, will have to see how I like it in a month or two.
  • Murbs 4 Oct 2012 12:45:00 23,870 posts
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    @kalel nope - I think it was Brixton Academy.
  • Deleted user 4 October 2012 13:16:25
    Oh. I crewed the equivalent gig at Exeter Uni. Skin broke her leg jumping off a speaker and carried on dancing around for the rest of the gig regardless. Crazy mentalist that she is.
  • Murbs 4 Oct 2012 13:24:24 23,870 posts
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    As you do. I saw Skunk Anansie a few times and it was always memorable for one reason or another :-)
  • boo 18 Oct 2012 11:05:05 13,426 posts
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    I've listened to this a lot over the past couple of weeks. Wasn't sure about some of it to begin with, but by non-specific-deity it grows on you!
    Even the Chris Wolstenhome stuff, which I initially thought were a bit weak, start to reveal themselves after a few listens.

    Madness is rapidly becoming a favourite. First off I thought it took too long to get going, but I just love the way it builds.

    Top stuff.
  • Murbs 18 Oct 2012 11:27:29 23,870 posts
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    I'm really enjoying it too.
  • crsmithy 18 Oct 2012 11:44:12 22 posts
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    Like many people I was initially sceptical but this album has well and truly wormed its way into my head.

    Stand out moments for me are Supremacy (Muse do Bond theme), Follow Me (I thought this would be terrible but it's grown on me a ton) and The 2nd Law: Isolated System (probably the best track on the album).

    The second half doesn't flow quite as well as the first but I go over that after a few listens.

    It's tough to rank their albums as I like them all but top 3 would probably be:

    Origin of Symmetry
    Black Holes and Revelations/ 2nd Law/ Showbiz
  • boo 18 Oct 2012 11:59:57 13,426 posts
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    While I do like the early stuff, I'd have to say that they've got better with each album, so in terms of rankage...

    = 1 The 2nd Law / The Resistance
    3 Black Holes And Revelations
    4 Absolution
    5 Origin Of Symmetry
    6 Showbiz

    In fact the only thing I don't like of theirs is the Hullabaloo DVD. Whichever epilepsy-inducing mong did the editing on that ought to be shot!
  • Deleted user 18 October 2012 12:06:12
    I really liked Resistance and was enjoying the direction they were heading, but I'm not convinced by 2nd Law at all. It just feels very safe, and a step towards bands like Coldplay and U2 who make middle of the road music for the middle aged middle classes.

    Still a few good tunes on there but as an album I think it's their worst.
  • Deleted user 18 October 2012 12:11:41
    That's the first time I've ever heard 2nd Law described as safe.

    That's cool though, cause I'd be worried if I agreed with you. :)
  • Deleted user 18 October 2012 13:25:17
    It is safe in the sense that it's something for everyone. It's a bit of classic Muse, a bit of weirdo experimental stuff, and a bit of absolutely standard radio-friendly "you dad'll like it" soft rock.

    It doesn't feel like a concept album like Resistance did, and it's not a cohesive rock album like they're earlier stuff. It feels like it's just trying to please everyone a bit to me - therefore "safe".
  • superflyninja 18 Oct 2012 16:33:35 495 posts
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    hmmmmm this is a tough album. I love muse primarily cos they are fucking ace live. But i cannot stand all the preachy shit on this album. I blame Goldie Hawn's skanky daughter for that lol! After a number of listens this album is half good and half shite. I thought The Resistance was going in a bad direction but this has diving in head first.
    In short : cut the oil prices/preachy nature stuff and id be quite a happy camper.Chris 's vocals on that track really dont add anything and are quite flat in comparison to matt.
  • Deleted user 19 October 2012 04:28:18
    I actually consider The Resistance to the 'safe' album. It's a near-complete retread of their previous two albums. Exogenesis might well be the best thing they've ever written, and Uprising, Undisclosed Desires and USoE are all great, but nothing on there was too surprising or different from previous work.

    At least with The 2nd Law you've got Chris' contributions, the brilliant Madness and the epic Unsustainable. Can't wait to hear Unsustainable live.
  • crsmithy 19 Oct 2012 09:25:43 22 posts
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    @Raiko101 Intrigued to see if or how they are going to play Follow Me and Unsustainable live. The former especially is quite heavily produced.

    I love Muse live to the point where I listen to a track and try and work out how the hell they are going to do it live!
  • chopsen 20 Oct 2012 14:11:23 19,993 posts
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    My God, they've gone full Queen. Nobody goes full Queen.
  • spamdangled 21 Oct 2012 00:31:05 31,576 posts
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  • spamdangled 21 Oct 2012 00:31:14 31,576 posts
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    Really enjoying this. Its lazy these days to compare them to Queen, but tracks like Panic Station give off vibes of Another One Bites the Dust.

    Madness has severe echoes of I Want To Break Free,

    Unsustainable is the Bond theme that never was, right down to using the classic string motif. Even the lyrics are bond-esque, which makes me seriously wonder if it was a contender for Skyfall's main song.

    The whole album is very bass heavy, almost funky in a lot of places. I bet Wolstenholme had a blast recording it.

    Panic Station is easily my favourite track on the album, and definite single material.
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