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Booth Babes and the Expo
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minky-kong 13,506 posts
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LadyAvalon 40 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@kalel If a girl wants to stand around in her underwear, then by all means she's very entitled to (up to a certain point, I'm not sure what the law says on these matters nowadays 
). But if a company thinks me so shallow as to just pay attention to their product because they shove some pretty girl in my face, then I take issue.
Besides to me it kind of screams 'our product is so shitty we have to hide it behind booth babes!!!11!' Also, I kinda don't see the point of having them there. I went to EG to play DMC and ACIII, not to see some girl in her underwear... -
LadyAvalon wrote:
Well, every product is marketed at its target audience in a different way. There are many ways a company can lose your business by not effectively marketing to you. This isn't an issue of exploitation of women. It's just you not being accurately targeted as a consumer.
@kalel If a girl wants to stand around in her underwear, then by all means she's very entitled to (up to a certain point, I'm not sure what the law says on these matters nowadays). But if a company thinks me so shallow as to just pay attention to their product because they shove some pretty girl in my face, then I take issue.
Besides to me it kind of screams 'our product is so shitty we have to hide it behind booth babes!!!11!' Also, I kinda don't see the point of having them there. I went to EG to play DMC and ACIII, not to see some girl in her underwear...
So while I can sympathise a bit with your frustration that you don't like the way your hobby is marketed to you, I'm afraid to say that's what's going to happen if you don't fall within the key marketing demographic for your hobby.
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warlockuk 19,417 posts
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Registered 14 years agoSex sells. The products will ship more units if they're being handled by someone with a massive pair of tits. Fact. Doesn't matter if the product sucks or not.
Any argument that somehow implies these precious little cherubs turned up knowing they weren't hired to be wank-fodder for the pale of skin and low on charm is based entirely on folly. In fact it presumes a special kind of naivety upon people who are effectively professional models and insults their intelligence.
So shame on you, Moot. And you too Avalon. How dare you make presumptions on their level of intelligence based on them seeking a career in being looked at. -
LadyAvalon 40 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@LeoliansBro It was actually a bug, but the devs insisted it was a feature -
Moot_Point 5,530 posts
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Registered 6 years ago@warlockuk Don't you mean, "Sex sells to weak minded fools"? -
LadyAvalon 40 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@kalel Maybe because we AREN'T the core audience? I mean, unexploited market and all that. I know plenty of girls that like videogames, hell, I work with quite a few. Wouldn't it make sense to aim at that market in the hopes that it will up your sales? -
LadyAvalon 40 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@warlockuk O_O When did I say that they weren't intelligent? I only said that they weren't INFORMED, as someone a few pages back posted. I have several friends who want to progress in the modelling industry and they are pretty amazing people (one speaks 5 languages, more or less fluently). -
GiarcYekrub 4,732 posts
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Registered 12 years agoMoot_Point wrote:
Hey... Looks at DOA movie DVD... guess you have a point, but I like being a weak minded fool
@warlockuk Don't you mean, "Sex sells to weak minded fools"? -
warlockuk 19,417 posts
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Registered 14 years agoMootie... weak minded fools have money, too. They're a huge demographic. Belittle them all you want, but their money is as good as anyone's - why not milk them via their biological imperative?
Moreover, why be a tosser because some lady might be doing a job you think she should be ashamed of?
These girls were probably hired via an agency with strict guidelines for work and conduct, they'd not be in the habit of sending people to jobs without knowing what they're doing - bad for business. So stop being a numpty. -
warlockuk 19,417 posts
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Registered 14 years agoLadyAvalon wrote:
And what kind of agency sends models to these kinds of jobs uninformed? If they arrive and don't like it the agency sends someone else.
@warlockuk O_O When did I say that they weren't intelligent? I only said that they weren't INFORMED, as someone a few pages back posted. I have several friends who want to progress in the modelling industry and they are pretty amazing people (one speaks 5 languages, more or less fluently).
It's not like they put an ad in Loot requesting "whores, extra languages preferable. Especially if they can say 'on my tits'".
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Moot_Point 5,530 posts
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Registered 6 years ago@warlockuk Ahh, so i am a tosser because i think women shouldn't be treated as sex objects? No, i am not gay before you say i must be for having such an opinion. -
LadyAvalon 40 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@warlockuk Ubisoft for one.
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LadyAvalon wrote:
You're an audience yes, but not the core one.
@kalel Maybe because we AREN'T the core audience? I mean, unexploited market and all that. I know plenty of girls that like videogames, hell, I work with quite a few. Wouldn't it make sense to aim at that market in the hopes that it will up your sales?
I think you're probably over-estimating the potential of the female market. Marketing is a deeply cynical industry and if people thought there was lots of money to be made from gearing the games industry towards women, they'd be doing it. This isn't an issue of men keeping their hobby for themselves. It is quite simply targeting where you can have the most impact (which is what all marketing is about). -
LadyAvalon 40 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@kalel I can understand that certain products have a target audience that depends on gender, but I don't think videogames should be one of them. There are many more women interested in this industry than most people realise. It's just that we are overlooked because of our gender. It's the whole 'oh girls don't like these sort of things' excuse. We are assumed to be girlfriends, sisters, mothers, wives. Never gamers in our own right. -
You're still presuming that the marketers aren't doing their job correctly. Like kalel said, if they were a promising side to the market, they'd have done all they can to eke every little penny they could out of it. That's literally their job. The fact that they aren't more likely means that they're simply not a very big part of the market, rather than any Big Male Conspiracy to keep the females down. -
mrpon 34,304 posts
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Registered 11 years agoMost girls gamers look like fat blokes anyway. -
warlockuk 19,417 posts
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Registered 14 years agoLadyAvalon wrote:
Not at all. That was an example of what they don't do. I'm suggesting they don't think they're whores, which is why they don't recruit accordingly.
@warlockuk Ubisoft for one.
And are you implying that booth babes are whores?
As for Ubisoft, I can't comment on the ladies in question. Perhaps they hate their job or their coworkers. I can certainly appreciate that.
Moot_Point wrote:
No, but you're clearly an idiot.
@warlockuk Ahh, so i am a tosser because i think women shouldn't be treated as sex objects? No, i am not gay before you say i must be for having such an opinion.
It's a given that women shouldn't be treated as sex objects, but on a primal level that's what they are to "men". Evolution, arousal etc etc. That's why advertisers and marketing use women as a "sex object" to control men and their purchasing. It's not quite the 70s "men want her and women want to be her" attitude - not exactly objectifying women... it's controlling men. When you see it that way, it's women with the power.
Of course, it's an unfair world, there's very few female execs and higher ups etc etc. World's shit. That doesn't mean that when a lady is hired because of her looks to look attractive on an otherwise boring stand to drum up interest some pretentious keyboard warrior should shout out how these poor weak ladies are being treated like prostitutes and need saving by some jumped-up knight in shining Khakis. -
warlockuk 19,417 posts
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Registered 14 years agoLadyAvalon wrote:
Sorry, that's bullshit. Or, at least, it's the sort of bullshit you hear in circles that thinks games are for kids and child molesters.
@kalel I can understand that certain products have a target audience that depends on gender, but I don't think videogames should be one of them. There are many more women interested in this industry than most people realise. It's just that we are overlooked because of our gender. It's the whole 'oh girls don't like these sort of things' excuse. We are assumed to be girlfriends, sisters, mothers, wives. Never gamers in our own right.
Most of the women I know play games in some way or another - and not just my mum with *fucking* Farmville. My sister's a massive gamer, and has been since the 80s. My ex is a massive game nerd, a lot of the women I've met in Manchester are either Skyrim or out-and-out Wow dorks. There's a lot of ladies into games and are seen as gamers in their own right.
But they're still massively outnumbered by the men. Consider how many girls you saw at the expo compared to dudes. I can only think back to last year where it was about 10 men per girl. -
Plus, you have to also look at the demographics of the booth babes at the expo itself - graphics cards and online gambling (pretty sure that's all Virgin Gaming does nowadays). Extremely male dominated industries, even moreso than gaming in general. -
warlockuk 19,417 posts
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Registered 14 years agoActually, it depends on what side of gambling you're looking at. Huge female demographic, as titles like Kitty Glitter show .gif)
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LadyAvalon 40 posts
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Registered 8 years ago@warlockuk I won't argue there are more men than women in the gaming world. But I don't think there are as few of us as to not be recognised as a target audience. FF.net is full of girls writing fanfiction about videogames characters. Some may have not played the games, true, but most of them have. -
ronuds 21,781 posts
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Registered 12 years agoWere there Booth Babes for The Sims or for games like COD? -
mrpon wrote:
Plus all these figures claiming "nearly as many woman play games as men!" are including shitty things like Farmville to bump up the numbers.
Most girls gamers look like fat blokes anyway.
). But if a company thinks me so shallow as to just pay attention to their product because they shove some pretty girl in my face, then I take issue.
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