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The Amazing Spiderman 2 • Page 9
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GuiltySpark 6,790 posts
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twelveways 7,131 posts
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Registered 15 years agoI quite liked the Spiderman/SHIELD storylines in the comics (Ultimate), at least the first part of it anyway. -
GuiltySpark 6,790 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThis was average in nearly every way imaginable. I don't know if it's the director or what but everything about it just felt off.
And jeez, the amount of storylines that go absolutely nowhere is ridiculous. That plane sequence was completely shoehorned in, it literally didn't affect the main plot at all. Am I supposed to care more about planes because of 9/11 or something? People were presumably dying everywhere in the city. It may as well have been that added in Chinese(?) Iron Man 3 scene for all the good it did.
I hate Andrew Garfield as well. I hate his mumbling lines and his generally awkward presence. It constantly feels like an indie romance, rather than a high concept superhero film.
Seeing Vulture's flight suit and Ock's arms made me smile but ultimately, what's the point? I guess I have to give them credit for Gwen Stacy's death, but it clearly had to happen sooner or later. We see no repercussions at all though, another plot point dropped.
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Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoSpark:
Your whole last paragraph is a set-up for the next films. It's not a plot point dropped, it's a hint at what's to come. Harry basically spells it out for you in his closing lines. Sinister Six.
The bit you spoilered and said was inevitable actually wasn't. It's been avoided elsewhere. I'm glad they included it though and it was a really well done sequence with impact.
The general problem with these films is that the relationships are all rushed and then have long drawn out action sequences that don't really amount to anything more than Spidey moving well but no real spectacle. They having nothing memorable about them at all. Even Peter and Gwen have nothing of substance to them, even though they have the most screen time. You can detail their entire relationship in a paragraph but it's drawn out and out and out.
Raimi's films are pretty crap too now but he did place characters in the films early just to have them there in the world, fleshing it all out. Not many, but enough. Webb's introduce characters like a tv show monster of the week.
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GuiltySpark 6,790 posts
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Registered 17 years agoDerblington wrote:
I actually completely forgot about Sinister Six when I was watching this, I just thought it was a bit of fan service to be honest. Hopefully the origins for the villains will be better than just Harry pointing at them and going 'Yup, give that guy a vulture suit.'
Spark:
Your whole last paragraph is a set-up for the next films. It's not a plot point dropped, it's a hint at what's to come. Harry basically spells it out for you in his closing lines. Sinister Six.
The bit you spoilered and said was inevitable actually wasn't. It's been avoided elsewhere. I'm glad they included it though and it was a really well done sequence with impact.
And the Gwen Stacy thing is so prolific in the comics that you don't include her without it happening somewhere down the pipeline. Did I think it would happen in this film and at that point? Not in the slightest, the tone of the film was definitely 12a. But yeah, I thought, not necessarily the scene, but literally the specific moment when her back hit the floor, was really well done and quite shocking. Women get dropped and caught constantly in these kind of films, I didn't think this time would be any different.
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fletch7100 8,372 posts
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There has been plenty of talk about the sinister 6 movie and trying to bring their human side across in the film. Also marvel are looking at new characters and defenders project for Netflix. 4 new shows (daredevil, Jessica jones, iron fist and luke cage) then a defenders show( another gang of super heroes). Be interesting to see how those will link with the marvel films and agent of shield. If they are in the same setting. Do well then maybe a film.
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ubergine wrote:
All superhero movies should follow this. Frequently they don't and you just end up with a complicated mess. Even the second batman film, should have just been a joker film but they tacked on a two fave element which added next to nothing to the story. Never mind.
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it's classic superhero sequelitous, some coke fiend executive says "It's got to be BIGGER and BETTER and have more of EVERYTHING!!!" so rather than a tight one hour forty minute hero villain tale we end up with a two hour twenty minute ensemble mess. The exceptions to this rule are Batman Returns and The Dark Knight. -
Yes but I'd argue the dark knight was an exception despite two face rather than because of it. I reckon it would have been even better without two face. -
Fair play. One main antagonist and one main protagonist done with a good script and cast is enough for me. I liked Harvey Dent's character but it felt a bit unnecessary for the film. And not much was made of him either. Fantastic film either way. -
MatMan562 3,470 posts
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Registered 11 years agoI've just got back from seeing this and I really enjoyed it, but I do agree with pretty much all the criticisms raised about it so far. Personally, I watch Superhero films for the fight scenes and in this movie I was not disappointed by them. When a superhero movie also has a decent storyline and such (like Cap 2) then that's great and I'll enjoy it more, but if it doesn't (like this one) then I'll still enjoy it and be glad I've seen it.
They definitely should have focused more on Electro and not forced in two more villain origin stories though. With the Goblin they could have easily done everything with him, but not put him in the suit until the next film, or even put him in the suit at the very end so, as ubergine pointed out, they could have made his sudden expertise with the gadgets more believable in the next film. I guess they wanted the Goblin to be the cause of Gwen's death though.
I thought Electro's visual and sound effects were awesome and made me look forward to every scene of his!
I do prefer these films over the previous ones. Andrew Garfield is definitely a much less convincing Peter Parker, but he's a much more convincing Spiderman and Spiderman is the reason I go to watch the Spiderman films. Spiderman.
I'd say this is the best Spiderman movie so far for me personally, but if you know the fighting scenes alone wont be enough for you then you probably wont enjoy it as much as I did. -
captainrentboy 1,682 posts
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Registered 16 years agoJust got back in from seeing it in Imax, and I'd give it a 3/5. It does a lot right, but a whole lot of it was, well, kinda boring.
The good-
Spidey swinging through the city in 3D, especially at the start, was absolutely fantastic. Gave me a real sense of being up there with him.
The action sequences were top notch, again the way Spidey moves, and the quips he throws out, was the most faithful I've seen him translated to film yet.
Electro had his moments, his groovy voice and the way he zipped around was pretty cool. (Although he frequently reminded me of Watchmen's Dr Manhattan)
Half of the score was great.
Dane DeHann did well with what little he was given. (Especially in his GG gear)
The Bad-
Quite frequently, once the action stopped, it quickly became pretty dull.
Parker and Stacey's 'oh so naturalistic' flirty chats wound me up a bit this time. We get it, you're fucking adorable.
I didn't get on with the soundtrack, or the score when it got all Dubsteppy.
Didn't buy Foxx as the nerdy needy guy one bit.
The whole 'untold' aspect of these new Spidey films isn't that interesting. All the shite with his dad slowed it all down to a snail's pace.
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CharlieStCloud 5,812 posts
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Registered 11 years agoIs there any logical reason why Rhino is in this for about five minutes?
... that just felt like a 'LET'S ADD ANOTHER BADDIE ... BECAUSE WE CAN!' decision.
Why on Earth don't they show more of those first person free running and swinging sequences in 3D? You feel like you are going along for the ride, especially with the vertigo nature of things. As much as I enjoyed the film, more so than the first one, it also felt like a missed opportunity in some ways too.
Looking forward to (seeing) the Sinister Six, mind! -
beastmaster 22,373 posts
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Registered 17 years agoThe swinging scenes at the start are breathtaking on the 3D IMAX. -
Gambit1977 10,398 posts
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Registered 14 years agoAs much of a mess as this looks, I cant believe I read the words 'the scripts for Nolan's batman films were extraordinary'
No they weren't. They were clunky as. The movies successes were on direction, casting, and in the tragic death of a main star,- "good" timing. Like the crow.
Anyone who thinks two face brought anything to tdk really must be under ten. And the criminals on the boat ffs
TDK is a decent film with lucky timing and decent performances on its side.
Oh and a fucking good soundtrack. -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoPeople complaining that Harry becomes adept with the suit/glider in 3 minutes flat... It's shown that it has a neural link and you see it "connect". He thinks, it happens. How much practise do you need thinking? -
Gambit1977 10,398 posts
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Registered 14 years agoIs Harry played by the annoying 'baddie' kid from chronicle?.
I feel like I don't need to see this at all. Pretty sad as Spider Man was by far my favourite comic growing up. -
Derblington 35,161 posts
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Registered 17 years agoHe's a character that seems to work best on the page. He's always been my preferred character but the films are a bit of a struggle for me. The film making is the stumbling block though, the components are all proven across multiple individual movies.
Spectacular is a good tv show though, cancelled in it's prime. -
Gambit1977 10,398 posts
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Registered 14 years agoThe problem we now have is Sony rushing something just to keep the license. Sadly.
Marvel have shown they know their characters. The get the casting mostly spot on. Granted they're formulaic but always entertaining (IM2 apart). I think the comic bubble will burst soon. xmen looks like a tv show. This looks a rushed mess of merchandising ideas. Captain America was ace imo but I think people will start to go see them less and less...
Guardians of the galaxy does look the bollocks though. -
sega 908 posts
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Registered 14 years agoI can agree with that. I've not seen this film yet, but I'm bored of the formulae. Who is the villain this time? Oh, Electro? OK, great, let's see how you stop him.
When new superhero films are announced, the question is always "who is the villain?" We find out then we know the story will be about how the hero stops the villain again. To be honest I think you probably need a villain in superhero movies to have some spectacular battles, but it has just become stale. The next Spider-Man film will be announced, they'll reveal another villain and then he'll stop it again. We know he'll succeed - they won't kill Spider-Man at the end. -
Webb's team only mess up the villain casting for me, the core cast are excellent (though I still think Zac Efron would make the best Parker/Spidey).
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