Building A Gaming PC - Parts Advice Needed Page 124

  • OnlyJoeKing 22 Oct 2018 11:00:37 773 posts
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    Carlo wrote:
    Carlo wrote:
    Yeah, I'm still unable to part with money for a gpu. I just fucking REFUSE to pay these prices.

    New radeons announced soon I think... Might change things
    I bought a 2080 for £750, fuck my life.
    Christ. I picked up a Vega 64 for £450 shortly after launch - a long time ago. And all this time later, a brand new card which is basically only the next performance tier up is £300 more expensive!

    GPU value is in a funny place atm. Perhaps in the next few years the performance for money ratio will catch up with all the lovely new tech they're putting in.
  • THFourteen 22 Oct 2018 14:03:06 50,208 posts
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    OnlyJoeKing wrote:
    GPU value is in a funny place atm. Perhaps in the next few years the performance for money ratio will catch up with all the lovely new tech they're putting in.
    I think graphics in general is in a funny place. It used to be that 1080p was the defacto standard for consoles and PCs to aim at.

    Now you have some consoles @ 1080p, some running low detail 4k, some PCs going for 144hz 1080p, others 60hz 1440p and a few gunning for 4k.
  • Malek86 28 Oct 2018 12:14:43 7,881 posts
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    So I'm currently using an old 60GB OCZ Vertex 3 as my primary hard drive. Small SSD, I bought it back when they were still very expensive, but it still fits Windows 10 and some other programs just fine. It won't fit any games, of course. What's more, performance seems to have slowed down considerably over the years, and by that I mean, write speed has become slower than my regular old HDD.



    So I was thinking of upgrading to something bigger. Ideally, I would like to be able to fit at least a couple games in there, one of which would be Destiny 2 as that is what I play regularly. D2 alone takes 75GBs at the moment, but I'm sure it will keep increasing with time. Even so, a 240GB SSD should be okay. And I should also be able to fit another game on rotation.

    Unfortunately my cheapo A320M-K mobo has an M2 slot but doesn't support NVMe, not that there's any notable difference from what I've heard, but new tech always tickles my fancy... anyway, I'm limited to SATA M2.

    So I've eyed the WD Blue 3D 250GB. Reviews seem good, and it's fairly cheap at this point. However, the WD Green model is a lot cheaper. Any differences that you know of?

    Edited by Malek86 at 12:19:01 28-10-2018
  • THFourteen 28 Oct 2018 12:18:54 50,208 posts
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    @Malek86

    Dunno about that one but I thought everyone bought Samsung’s
  • Malek86 28 Oct 2018 12:25:38 7,881 posts
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    @THFourteen price difference with the 860 Evo isn't much, admittedly.

    Maybe I should go with Samsung to be on the safe side?
  • Malek86 28 Oct 2018 13:14:52 7,881 posts
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    Well, found a decent deal, so I got myself the WD Blue 3D (and nabbed an almost free copy of Battlezone PS4 with it, ahah).

    And now, while I wait for my items, it's time to read up on SSD cloning.
  • b-rk 28 Oct 2018 13:19:29 679 posts
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    i have a few 860's, there's even one in my ps4 and they all seem to do the job well enough.
  • THFourteen 29 Oct 2018 09:08:45 50,208 posts
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    Thinking of getting the family PC up to 4k next year at bonus time.

    It's connected up to the telly which at some point (maybe 2 years) will be upgraded to 4k.

    Anyone have a 4k monitor? Any good recommendations? Ideally i guess i want HDR now, which means i need an NVDIA card right?

    There's an LG 27" for ~ £4-500 which looks alright, it has HDR but annoyingly it has freesync which would be pointless.

    I'll need a new GPU as well, 1080ti second hand in feb hopefully, or maybe a 2080 if the prices drop. Unless i can get HDR on AMD in which case it would make sense to go AMD for freesync...
  • THFourteen 29 Oct 2018 09:22:15 50,208 posts
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    Hmmm so quick google suggests i was actually wrong, Radeon cards do support HDR.

    https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/09/24/what-graphics-card-hdr-pc-games/

    Need to have a look at some benchmarks for RX 590 / Vega 56

    Or just wait till next year for any new card at all.
  • Malek86 29 Oct 2018 09:30:16 7,881 posts
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    For what it's worth, freesync has been really crappy for me lately. Most of the times, it will stop working after any given driver update.
  • THFourteen 29 Oct 2018 09:51:07 50,208 posts
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    @Malek86

    Oh really? Well thats effing pointless then. Fucking AMD still the same after all these years.

    Might as well go with the 1080ti and lower settings until it locks @ 60.

    Dont really want to spend on a 4k gsync, plus they look a bit hideous for the front room. The LG one above is white backed so would blend in a bit better with the dining table and walls (also white).

    All this might change by february i guess.
  • neems 29 Oct 2018 10:05:26 4,204 posts
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    Just remember that pc HDR is a pain in the arse.
  • THFourteen 29 Oct 2018 10:37:44 50,208 posts
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    neems wrote:
    Just remember that pc HDR is a pain in the arse.
    Not worth it yet then? Got any links?
  • OnlyJoeKing 29 Oct 2018 10:39:54 773 posts
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    I saw that RPS quite liked this one recently, it has HDR but only 1440p..

    https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/10/22/aoc-agon-ag322qc4-review/

    Also, freesync. Though I have had no problems with my Vega 64, personally. It's been great.

    Can't remember seeing any reviews for reasonably priced 4k hdr screens. Do they even exist? Might be better to wait a year or so if its not pressing.
  • OnlyJoeKing 29 Oct 2018 10:41:10 773 posts
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    THFourteen wrote:
    neems wrote:
    Just remember that pc HDR is a pain in the arse.
    Not worth it yet then? Got any links?
    https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/07/09/what-is-hdr-pc-graphics-cards-monitor-guide/
  • THFourteen 29 Oct 2018 11:38:03 50,208 posts
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    @OnlyJoeKing

    Ta.

    https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/05/01/lg-27uk850-w-monitor-review

    That review suggests that HDR is a bit of a waste of time on the monitor. Hmmm. Drawing board!

    Although now having watched the Jayz2Cents and TechChap reviews, although HDR not as good as a telly, its still the best you can get at a decent price.

    Got a couple of months to ponder anyway

    Edited by THFourteen at 12:07:33 29-10-2018
  • neems 29 Oct 2018 12:29:03 4,204 posts
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    The brightness issue is an odd one, the HDR10 standard calls for 1000 nits on an LED screen, but if you were sat in front of a monitor that would probably fry your eyes. My telly falls just short supposedly (930 apparently, although I can see a difference up to 1000 in games that have calibration) and there are times it can be almost painful to look at.

    I wonder if they might introduce a new standard for monitors - or maybe we'll see OLED. God only knows how much that would cost though.
  • Technoishmatt 30 Oct 2018 00:05:00 2,972 posts
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    There is no space anymore in this house for my PC (Dell XPS w i7 7700k & GTX 1070,1440p screen).

    Also known as “wife wants the baby room to be just the baby room, thereby dooming my spare room PC and VR antics”.

    It was good while it lasted :(

    but... I have been given latitude to “spend a shit ton on whatever kind of laptop you want if you replace the desktop”

    Soooo, any tips? I don’t want a gaming laptop per se - I am jus generally underhwelmed by them (they look terrible, or are heavy, or just so expensive) so main use will be for windows stuff and Adobe Lightroom.

    I have been wondering about getting a 13 incher w Thunderbolt3 and then I can get an eGPU case for the living room and put in my GTX 1070, so I have option for PC gaming.

    I understand there is about a 20% hit to performance, which is probably fine, but does anybody have any experience with one?

    Also, particularly XP with oculus rift and an eGPU?

    I have been eyeing up the Razer Blade Stealth 13 inch or Dell XPS13 coupled with a Razed Core.

    Edited by Technoishmatt at 00:05:50 30-10-2018
  • b-rk 30 Oct 2018 01:32:55 679 posts
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    build a shed and put the computer in there. a man cave, but a shed. with power, obviously. a computer shed.
  • THFourteen 30 Oct 2018 07:19:54 50,208 posts
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    @Technoishmatt

    Are you gonna travel with the laptop? If not I'd maybe veer towards a larger screen eg 15" for sofa play. I found 14 a little small at times on my yoga.

    Otherwise I love both the razer and the XPS if you can afford the money!

    (Man cave man cave)

    Oh also as someone with young kids, the pick up and play nature of 3ds and switch saved me when mine were really young. I'd think about going that way for a while, grabbing 15mins here and there is a lifesaver and won't happen with a laptop.

    Now my youngest is 20 months I have my evenings back and can game on a pc for a couple of hours before bed again.

    Edited by THFourteen at 07:21:32 30-10-2018
  • Armoured_Bear 30 Oct 2018 09:20:39 24,976 posts
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    Technoishmatt wrote:
    There is no space anymore in this house for my PC (Dell XPS w i7 7700k & GTX 1070,1440p screen).

    Also known as “wife wants the baby room to be just the baby room, thereby dooming my spare room PC and VR antics”.

    It was good while it lasted :(

    but... I have been given latitude to “spend a shit ton on whatever kind of laptop you want if you replace the desktop”

    Soooo, any tips? I don’t want a gaming laptop per se - I am jus generally underhwelmed by them (they look terrible, or are heavy, or just so expensive) so main use will be for windows stuff and Adobe Lightroom.

    I have been wondering about getting a 13 incher w Thunderbolt3 and then I can get an eGPU case for the living room and put in my GTX 1070, so I have option for PC gaming.

    I understand there is about a 20% hit to performance, which is probably fine, but does anybody have any experience with one?

    Also, particularly XP with oculus rift and an eGPU?

    I have been eyeing up the Razer Blade Stealth 13 inch or Dell XPS13 coupled with a Razed Core.

    Put together a gaming PC in a discrete HTPC case and connect it to the telly.
  • Malek86 30 Oct 2018 09:38:35 7,881 posts
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    Keep the PC in there, and sneak into the room when the baby isn't looking.
  • Technoishmatt 30 Oct 2018 11:46:31 2,972 posts
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    The sound of a pin dropping wakes the baby at the moment :p

    Reason for laptop over HTPC would be for doing admin while watching tv and particularly editing photos, which would be shit on a TV screen. Also - I could just hide the current desktop. The main issue is having to vacate the baby room.

    Fully plan on having a man cave when we move back to London next year.

    I did wonder about 15”, but I have an ancient Samsung 15” and it is so damn unwieldy. I guess 13” is small. My work laptop is 14” and that feels fine.

    I fully plan up getting a switch as soon as the boy can pick up the controller, not try to eat it, and say Mario :)
  • Malek86 31 Oct 2018 11:32:56 7,881 posts
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    New M2 drive set up. Made a bit of a mess at first (EaseUS is a pain, gonna use Macrium from now on). Not to mention, didn't even notice that my mobo didn't come with the proper screw, so I had to repurpose one from an old laptop. But it all seems to work fine now.

    And I definitely gained some speed over my old drive.



    Gonna move Battle.net and Destiny 2 in there, now that I have some real estate. And maybe even the Downloads folder.

    Edited by Malek86 at 11:34:31 31-10-2018
  • b-rk 31 Oct 2018 15:28:46 679 posts
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    oh oh benchmarks, let me have a go brb
  • b-rk 31 Oct 2018 15:33:21 679 posts
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    not bad! no fancy drive just a sata 860.
  • Technoishmatt 31 Oct 2018 16:43:50 2,972 posts
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    Ok, I went with an XPS 13 9370, with 8th gen i7, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, UHD screen, intel graphics.

    And a Razer Core V2 to house my gtx 1070.

    I found a great deal on the laptop on amazon, $100 cheaper than the same laptop with 512GB SSD that I was planning on getting. Seeing as Dell’s upgrade to the 1TB was another $400 (tooooo steep), I saved $500.

    I really ummed and ahhd about going for a 15inch with nvidia graphics instead (which would work straight out of the box with my Oculus) but in the end decided to stick with the smaller laptop and egpu, which gives me more power at home, better portability, and more upgrade opportunities as I can replace the 1070 in the future if I want to pair with the laptop, and put that back in my desktop in the future if I have space again (the i7 7700k should have decent future proofing).

    I’ve also started to investigate options for my future man lair :)
  • Fake_Blood 31 Oct 2018 22:52:14 9,094 posts
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    b-rk wrote:


    not bad! no fancy drive just a sata 860.
    There’s sata 860 now?
  • b-rk 1 Nov 2018 01:22:22 679 posts
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    y-yeah, right? has to be. um...
  • b-rk 1 Nov 2018 01:24:12 679 posts
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    yeah

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-MZ-76E1T0B-EU-Solid-State/dp/B078WST5RK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1541035408&sr=8-3&keywords=ssd+860
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