Building A Gaming PC - Parts Advice Needed Page 146

  • Fake_Blood 16 Jan 2020 15:09:16 10,455 posts
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    The top of the line card is said to be cheaper than the current 2080ti, because nvidia didnít sell a lot of those.
  • b-rk 16 Jan 2020 16:15:41 1,278 posts
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    atothewest wrote:
    Presumably those new Ampere cards will be crazy money? I know conventional wisdom would suggest that the existing cards will fall in price once the new ones are out, but don't GPU's sometimes have a kind of weird supply/demand economy in that regard?
    Nvidia cards tend to retain their value even as newer cards are released, then they vanish from inventory. I'm hoping these new 7nm parts offer at least 60% more perf vs 1080ti, the 2080ti was a bit of a damp squib and didn't really pique my interest, certainly not at its massively inflated price tag.
  • Carlo 24 Jan 2020 22:07:37 21,324 posts
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    So, I bought an AIO. Due to limited space in my setup, I had to go for a 240mm Rad

    ROG Ryujin 240

    Quite like the idea of the fan over the cpu to keep the motherboard cool. And it's got an OLED screen on it. And we thought RGB was OTT!

    It's also a bit silly having a fan over the CPU when it's watercooled but... Well actually no 'but', it doesn't make sense. Sort of.

    Edited by Carlo at 22:11:14 24-01-2020
  • azurelas_2 24 Jan 2020 23:16:10 2,044 posts
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    Just a quick question;

    Has anyone with a previous generation CPU (from the i5/i7 2500k/2700k onward) see reduced gaming performance? Is there a link with the Spectre/Meltdown patches that have been pushed? I understand that Intel CPUs lose about 15% in performance after being patched.
  • CrispyXUKTurbo 24 Jan 2020 23:35:40 2,930 posts
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    2600k is still pretty good, performance jumps have been big but scaled with efficiency so a 2600k is still good just uses much more juice.

    Running a 4690k myself and only bleeding edge emulation is a problem for me
  • KD 24 Jan 2020 23:52:22 2,762 posts
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    @azurelas_2 I think it's more the RAM and speed of it all you'd notice, a friend is on the same but seen my ryzen pc and said similar.
  • Deleted user 24 January 2020 23:59:05
    I upgraded from an i5 6600k overclocked to an AMD cpu and saw a huge leap in performance in VR.
  • sherpa1984 25 Jan 2020 09:41:44 847 posts
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    @AaronTurner Huh, Iíve got a 6600k and a 1080Ti. Thinking itís time for a CPU upgrade but when I look at some comparison charts itíd didnít look worth it.

    VR is fine except for DCS which is stuck at 40fps but thatís DCS.

    Will probably wait for this yearís Ryzen.
  • b-rk 25 Jan 2020 12:29:45 1,278 posts
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    What charts did you look at. 4 threads really don't cut it for newer games. Hell, even older stuff like Arkham Knight stutter and hitch with 4 threads.

    In other news...

    GPU prices are becoming unstable again. Nvidia have increased their FE 2070S by 40 quid and prices off all their cards are bouncing around almost daily. Perhaps this is a result of AMD cards being worthless trash due to so many driver problems.
  • Deleted user 25 January 2020 13:17:29
    sherpa1984 wrote:
    @AaronTurner Huh, Iíve got a 6600k and a 1080Ti. Thinking itís time for a CPU upgrade but when I look at some comparison charts itíd didnít look worth it.

    VR is fine except for DCS which is stuck at 40fps but thatís DCS.

    Will probably wait for this yearís Ryzen.
    I bought a Ryzen 5 3600X. My understanding is that the motherboard will remain compatible with Ryzen for a while so I plan to upgrade the CPU in the near future without having to touch anything else in the system.

    For me the upgrade was very worthwhile.
  • azurelas_2 26 Jan 2020 16:28:25 2,044 posts
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    I'm seriously considering waiting for the next gen Ryzens to come out. Apparently they'll take the IPC and clockspeed lead outright, although the current 16-core 32 thread R9 3950x monster is on my wish-list.
  • Malek86 26 Jan 2020 17:42:54 10,177 posts
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    I'm still rocking an eight-threaded 1500X, but to be fair, I don't feel the need to upgrade it just yet. Even though in most games I've had to lower the details and rendering resolution, the RX 480 seems to be the far bigger bottleneck.

    In general, even in modern games, my CPU usage doesn't go above 50-60%. Aside from some outliers like AC Origins, I don't think a new CPU would help much at the moment.
  • KD 26 Jan 2020 19:32:12 2,762 posts
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    1600x here in a x470 board, had it when I built the pc but if the 3600x gets much closer to £150 I'll bite or see how high the clock speed is on a 4000 series when they are announced.
  • Spectral 26 Jan 2020 20:55:32 6,385 posts
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    Malek86 wrote:
    I'm still rocking an eight-threaded 1500X, but to be fair, I don't feel the need to upgrade it just yet. Even though in most games I've had to lower the details and rendering resolution, the RX 480 seems to be the far bigger bottleneck.

    In general, even in modern games, my CPU usage doesn't go above 50-60%. Aside from some outliers like AC Origins, I don't think a new CPU would help much at the moment.
    I was watching some benchmark videos a while back testing 4c/4t and 4c/8t CPU's. It seemed the 4c/8t are holding up reasonably well but the 4c/4t cpu's really seem to be starting to struggle. Not unusable by any means but getting significantly worse gaming performance. I'm still rocking a 6700k and at least so far it seems to be holding up well for me. Not tried anything that I can't play because of it.
  • One_Vurfed_Gwrx 26 Jan 2020 23:22:23 3,962 posts
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    My 4790K (possibly my Ram speed as a cause too from looking around) definitely bottlenecks my 2070 at Ultra wide 2560x1080.

    Also got to sort the weird problem of not being able to see any of my boot info until Windows starts up on that monitor. (also weird headphone port socket and SD reader problem where they never worked until I had moved the PC aside for fiddling with other stuff then stopped again when putting it back). Not sure it is worth me buying faster RAM though as games needing more GPU should even things put a bit...
  • CrispyXUKTurbo 27 Jan 2020 01:25:45 2,930 posts
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    AaronTurner wrote:
    I upgraded from an i5 6600k overclocked to an AMD cpu and saw a huge leap in performance in VR.
    This is a massive point I hadnít considered
  • b-rk 27 Jan 2020 03:29:27 1,278 posts
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    I've been playing around with a 2070 Super, the MSI Gaming (ugh) X version, specifically. It seems to offer about the same perf as a 1080ti but whereas my 1080ti could get obnoxiously loud, this card is completely silent. Like, eerily so. 🧐

    I'm having a weird problem with RIG 2, though. All games using the Vulkan API are being capped at 134fps, or at least are being CPU limited in some way, which is odd because RIG 1 is slower but doesn't have this problem.
  • Spectral 27 Jan 2020 04:16:32 6,385 posts
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    Was your 1080ti a founders edition? They're the only ones I've seen in recent years where the fans are audible at all 99% of the time. At least on the Nvidia side.
  • b-rk 27 Jan 2020 06:16:01 1,278 posts
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    EVGA SC2. The card gets pushed near max pretty much all the time when gaming and does get loud. Not Radeon VII loud but loud enough to be a bother when I'm not wearing headphones. The Rad 7 really is quite something to behold when it hits full tilt. I sometimes install it just to see what the fuck AMD are getting up to with their drivers. Loudest card of all time, and hot. Looks nice though.
  • azurelas_2 12 Feb 2020 19:57:44 2,044 posts
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    I bit the bullet and got a R5 3600. The performance difference is truly night and day compared to my old i7 4770k. I play at reasonable settings at 1440p and have yet to see any of my games go under 100fps.
  • atothewest 12 Feb 2020 20:26:19 1,098 posts
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    azurelas_2 wrote:
    I bit the bullet and got a R5 3600. The performance difference is truly night and day compared to my old i7 4770k. I play at reasonable settings at 1440p and have yet to see any of my games go under 100fps.
    Same processor I went for 🙌 Seemed like a real price/performance champion. No complaints so far!
  • TitanWarlord93 12 Feb 2020 20:30:55 465 posts
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    Might upgrade to that from my R5 2600. Done deal.
  • KD 12 Feb 2020 21:32:07 2,762 posts
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    I want to replace my 1600x with the same, £155 lately.
  • Sharz 12 Feb 2020 21:38:56 1,966 posts
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    I went from a 1600 manually clocked at 3.9ghz to a 3600, i run the 3600 on auto because the new algorithms are so good. Generally its around 4ghz (once saw 4.2) when under load.

    The jump is pretty great and the best thing is it was a drop in replacment for my MSI X370 motherboard. Oh and it increased the speed of my ram, which before was 3000ghz and is now stable at 3466mhz.

    Also bought a Freesync 2 monitor and uh well 'needed' an AMD GPU also. The 5700XT arrived yesterday..... oops what 1 CPU upgrade can lead to.

    Edited by Sharz at 21:42:51 12-02-2020
  • KD 12 Feb 2020 21:42:57 2,762 posts
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    I just learnt about the Nvidia using diplayport only, freesync was patched into my lg monitor but uselss to me right now.
  • Sharz 12 Feb 2020 21:48:28 1,966 posts
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    My last monitor had Freesync and worked fine with my Nvidea GPU (over Display port). But i really wanted to change monitors as it was really not a gaming monitor. So i changed the monitor but the (rather basic version)GTX1080 just wouldnt play ball with it, random black screens and very agressive tearing if HDR came on.

    Wasnt sure if it was a faulty monitor or not so got my hands on an AMD GPU and worked flawlessly, including HDR. So thought sod it, despite not really being an upgrade. But after living with Freesync you cant go back to bog standard vsync.

    Fair to say that Nvidea adopting an open standard is a good thing for everyone. But they still have a long way to go before it is properly implemented. I refuse to pay the premium for gsync when perfectly good Freesync monitors out there.

    Edited by Sharz at 21:53:57 12-02-2020
  • RaymondLuxuryYacht 13 Feb 2020 09:22:19 359 posts
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    One_Vurfed_Gwrx wrote:
    My 4790K (possibly my Ram speed as a cause too from looking around) definitely bottlenecks my 2070 at Ultra wide 2560x1080.
    I've got a 4790k clocked to 4.7GHz, alongside a 2080 super for 3440x1440. RAM is only 2100 (Maximus Ranger VII limit I think). Totally conflicting advice everywhere I look about whether a RAM and CPU upgrade would make any difference whatsoever.

    Edited by RaymondLuxuryYacht at 09:22:40 13-02-2020
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